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Post by patman post on Nov 13, 2022 13:49:24 GMT
I'm in favour. Remember that one of the pull factors for all these illegals is that the UK has a thriving black economy. It's very hard for employers to establish whether a potential employee is legit. An ID card could solve that. It would also be handy in many cases where you have to prove your identity - rather than showing a driving licence, which not everyone has. The problem as always is making sure of the identity of people in order to issue a car and preventing fakes. But I still think it will be better than nothing. But it’s up to the employer to verify the job applicant is legally allowed to work in the UK. If the check cannot proved to have been done, and the authorities find the employee is not legally entitled to work in the UK, the employers can be fined up to £20,000… www.gov.uk/employers-checks-job-applicantsApart from the expense (if high), I don’t see any reason against a national ID scheme — maybe different ID for British and non-British… |
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Post by colbops on Nov 13, 2022 14:37:12 GMT
I'm in favour. Remember that one of the pull factors for all these illegals is that the UK has a thriving black economy. It's very hard for employers to establish whether a potential employee is legit. An ID card could solve that. It would also be handy in many cases where you have to prove your identity - rather than showing a driving licence, which not everyone has. The problem as always is making sure of the identity of people in order to issue a car and preventing fakes. But I still think it will be better than nothing. But it’s up to the employer to verify the job applicant is legally allowed to work in the UK. If the check cannot proved to have been done, and the authorities find the employee is not legally entitled to work in the UK, the employers can be fined up to £20,000… www.gov.uk/employers-checks-job-applicantsApart from the expense (if high), I don’t see any reason against a national ID scheme — maybe different ID for British and non-British… For me it comes down to what's in it for me. If the what's in it for me is a basic allowance that covers my subsistence costs enabling me to keep a roof over my head and food in my belly, thereby giving me the opportunity to freely explore my interests and potential then sure. If the what's in it for me is just another expense that I need to absorb via renewals / updates / fines if I forget to renew - or simply via taxes, then no thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 15:12:11 GMT
They do it for pets and livestock, so why not chip everyone on their 1st birthday?
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Post by colbops on Nov 13, 2022 17:46:38 GMT
They do it for pets and livestock, so why not chip everyone on their 1st birthday? I think the ruling class are trying to maintain the illusion that they don't see the unwashed masses as pets and livestock, not reinforce the reality |
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Post by patman post on Nov 13, 2022 18:10:16 GMT
But it’s up to the employer to verify the job applicant is legally allowed to work in the UK. If the check cannot proved to have been done, and the authorities find the employee is not legally entitled to work in the UK, the employers can be fined up to £20,000… www.gov.uk/employers-checks-job-applicantsApart from the expense (if high), I don’t see any reason against a national ID scheme — maybe different ID for British and non-British… For me it comes down to what's in it for me. If the what's in it for me is a basic allowance that covers my subsistence costs enabling me to keep a roof over my head and food in my belly, thereby giving me the opportunity to freely explore my interests and potential then sure. If the what's in it for me is just another expense that I need to absorb via renewals / updates / fines if I forget to renew - or simply via taxes, then no thanks. In a way I agree — I can see that the benefits of all official licences, permits and restrictions need to be evaluated and constantly under review. I can see the plus points of all those that directly affect me, and those that ensure others do me no harm — eg, doctors, drivers, firearms users, police, etc. But I’m not worried if, to ensure those, and others, are qualified to acceptable standard and are legally here, I’m required to have ID… |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2022 8:19:39 GMT
Good job the Government is not short of money...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 8:22:28 GMT
They do it for pets and livestock, so why not chip everyone on their 1st birthday? I think the ruling class are trying to maintain the illusion that they don't see the unwashed masses as pets and livestock, not reinforce the reality 🙌 |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 15, 2022 10:00:40 GMT
Until Gordon Brown forced banks to demand photo id as part of his scam to make every uk citizen shell out £30 for one, the only time I ever needed ID was when taking my driving test (once for a car, once for a motorbike and once for a tank (ok BULLDOZER) and five times to enter another country
Then Brown realised what a magnificent cash cow it was and we had to throw him into the gutter to stop it. Sadly by then the damage had been done
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 15, 2022 10:02:44 GMT
I'm in favour. Remember that one of the pull factors for all these illegals is that the UK has a thriving black economy. It's very hard for employers to establish whether a potential employee is legit. An ID card could solve that. It would also be handy in many cases where you have to prove your identity - rather than showing a driving licence, which not everyone has. The problem as always is making sure of the identity of people in order to issue a car and preventing fakes. But I still think it will be better than nothing. But it’s up to the employer to verify the job applicant is legally allowed to work in the UK. If the check cannot proved to have been done, and the authorities find the employee is not legally entitled to work in the UK, the employers can be fined up to £20,000… www.gov.uk/employers-checks-job-applicantsApart from the expense (if high), I don’t see any reason against a national ID scheme — maybe different ID for British and non-British… If the government were forced to exercise the sort of care in handing out NI numbers the employers are now bullshitted into doing on their unpaid behalf, this would not be a problem. All the employer would have to do is show they have the NI Numbers for all their employees. |
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Post by patman post on Nov 15, 2022 16:59:13 GMT
But it’s up to the employer to verify the job applicant is legally allowed to work in the UK. If the check cannot proved to have been done, and the authorities find the employee is not legally entitled to work in the UK, the employers can be fined up to £20,000… www.gov.uk/employers-checks-job-applicantsApart from the expense (if high), I don’t see any reason against a national ID scheme — maybe different ID for British and non-British… If the government were forced to exercise the sort of care in handing out NI numbers the employers are now bullshitted into doing on their unpaid behalf, this would not be a problem. All the employer would have to do is show they have the NI Numbers for all their employees. Forcing the govt to do anything will usually cost more than hiving it off onto the market. What’s wrong with insisting (on pain of substantial fines) that all employers check that all their employees are entitled to work in the UK? Passport, work permit, birth certificate are usually all that’s needed. Employers keeps photocopies, and everyone’s covered… |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 15, 2022 19:55:05 GMT
If the government were forced to exercise the sort of care in handing out NI numbers the employers are now bullshitted into doing on their unpaid behalf, this would not be a problem. All the employer would have to do is show they have the NI Numbers for all their employees. Forcing the govt to do anything will usually cost more than hiving it off onto the market. What’s wrong with insisting (on pain of substantial fines) that all employers check that all their employees are entitled to work in the UK? Passport, work permit, birth certificate are usually all that’s needed. Employers keeps photocopies, and everyone’s covered… What’s wrong with it is that as I said, the government should be forced into those same checks when handing out NI Numbers, and then it would be dead easy. Either you have one, or you don’t. Because the government are crassly incompetent in allowing forgeries theft of same business has to be forced on pain if sanction to pick up the price of their sloppiness and you clearly see no problem with business being at the sharp end for getting it wrong As a business owner whose pension was fucked over for a decade by some piece of shit stealing my NI number, something I knew nothing about until the HMRC fuckers accused ME of fraud, and which it then took them six fucking years to untangle, I have a different viewpoint. If you’d been through the shut I have I wonder if you’d have your ‘fuck business, make them pay for doing the work’ attitude |
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