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Post by Bentley on Nov 11, 2022 15:08:09 GMT
With credit cards, driving licenses and passports and the police ability to hold you for so long without charge, I don't see the need. True. Your credit card and mobile has all the information the authorities need and a driving license or passport is needed if you need to get a job or sometimes transferring large amounts of money . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 11, 2022 15:09:53 GMT
With credit cards, driving licenses and passports and the police ability to hold you for so long without charge, I don't see the need. Yes, enough already All of those documents can be forged or obtained fraudulently, with a finger print system it would be almost impossible to clone. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 11, 2022 17:00:08 GMT
All of those documents can be forged or obtained fraudulently, with a finger print system it would be almost impossible to clone. I've outlined the French medical card above (Carte Vitale), it would be nigh on impossible get away with a worthwhile forgery. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 11, 2022 18:38:57 GMT
I used to be pro ID cards, that was probably because I still had my 'army' head on, so to speak. In more recent years I've become very suspicious of ID cards. I understand they may help prevent various fraud, and an ID card would immediately verify your identity to a police officer. What's the problem. Well it's not that simple is it, ID cards these days carry digital, biometric even facial recognition info. The chip on German and French ID cards holds a world of information about the holder and with increasing digital technology and a cashless society, I feel real freedom is being lost without most people realising it. I am aware ID cards are not compulsory in every EU state. All EU states have ID cards, not all are compulsory. 15 EU states have compulsory ID cards. I suspect the ultimate aim is fore every person in the EU to have an ID card....unless of course they're one of thousands of immigrants. For and compulsory to carry them and show them on demand when required |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 11, 2022 18:45:36 GMT
With credit cards, driving licenses and passports and the police ability to hold you for so long without charge, I don't see the need. Not everyone has all of them, and who carries a Passport around with them all the time. it matters not if you have three with you if the Police arrest you, in normal circumstances they can only hold you for 24 hours without charge |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 12, 2022 13:56:38 GMT
With credit cards, driving licenses and passports and the police ability to hold you for so long without charge, I don't see the need. Not everyone has all of them, and who carries a Passport around with them all the time. it matters not if you have three with you if the Police arrest you, in normal circumstances they can only hold you for 24 hours without charge I never said you needed to carry all three, just that there are so many options for the police to use to identify you. And if really desperate they can take you home under guard to get your ID. ID's can be forged and new ID Cards will undoubtedly be forged as well so just more money down the drain. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 12, 2022 14:04:07 GMT
An alternative approach would be to require ID cards for all resident foreigners. Not a bad idea. It would never happen of course. Can you imagine how outraged the outraged left would be if it were proposed that only foreigners should carry ID cards. But that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 12, 2022 17:31:14 GMT
Not everyone has all of them, and who carries a Passport around with them all the time. it matters not if you have three with you if the Police arrest you, in normal circumstances they can only hold you for 24 hours without charge I never said you needed to carry all three, just that there are so many options for the police to use to identify you. And if really desperate they can take you home under guard to get your ID. ID's can be forged and new ID Cards will undoubtedly be forged as well so just more money down the drain. I think that within days of producing sample ID cards under Labour, near perfect forgeries were produced. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 12, 2022 17:58:07 GMT
Not everyone has all of them, and who carries a Passport around with them all the time. it matters not if you have three with you if the Police arrest you, in normal circumstances they can only hold you for 24 hours without charge I never said you needed to carry all three, just that there are so many options for the police to use to identify you. And if really desperate they can take you home under guard to get your ID. ID's can be forged and new ID Cards will undoubtedly be forged as well so just more money down the drain. Yes, there are lots a forged documents out there including passports some so good they would fool most people, a very lucrative trade for the criminals that produce them to order how many Police Officers are trained to spot a forged Passport? I would think very few. IMO they would only be authorised to take you home to find any ID if they had arrested you in the first place, it is not a criminal offence if you don't carry any ID at all I believe that some Police Officers have access to a handheld electronic gadget that can scan your fingerprints in the street to search the fingerprint database if they suspect you gave given a false name, but if the persons fingers prints are not on the database it is no good |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 12, 2022 18:00:54 GMT
I never said you needed to carry all three, just that there are so many options for the police to use to identify you. And if really desperate they can take you home under guard to get your ID. ID's can be forged and new ID Cards will undoubtedly be forged as well so just more money down the drain. I think that within days of producing sample ID cards under Labour, near perfect forgeries were produced. I agree that is the major problem, should they make ID Cards compulsory they will have to be overcome that problem if it possible otherwise it would be a waste of time and mney |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2022 22:32:26 GMT
An alternative approach would be to require ID cards for all resident foreigners. Not a bad idea. It would never happen of course. Can you imagine how outraged the outraged left would be if it were proposed that only foreigners should carry ID cards. But that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. A good idea for what?. What are you going to do with these foreigners who don't have an ID card? - bearing in mind that the legal aid system and HRA make it almost impossible to deport murderers, rapists and drug dealers. So what chance of deporting somebody without an ID card? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 12, 2022 22:48:47 GMT
I used to be pro ID cards, that was probably because I still had my 'army' head on, so to speak. In more recent years I've become very suspicious of ID cards. I understand they may help prevent various fraud, and an ID card would immediately verify your identity to a police officer. What's the problem. Well it's not that simple is it, ID cards these days carry digital, biometric even facial recognition info. The chip on German and French ID cards holds a world of information about the holder and with increasing digital technology and a cashless society, I feel real freedom is being lost without most people realising it. I am aware ID cards are not compulsory in every EU state. All EU states have ID cards, not all are compulsory. 15 EU states have compulsory ID cards. I always use cash unless it is mail order. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 13, 2022 10:15:14 GMT
Not a bad idea. It would never happen of course. Can you imagine how outraged the outraged left would be if it were proposed that only foreigners should carry ID cards. But that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. A good idea for what?. What are you going to do with these foreigners who don't have an ID card? - bearing in mind that the legal aid system and HRA make it almost impossible to deport murderers, rapists and drug dealers. So what chance of deporting somebody without an ID card? I agree 100% |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 13, 2022 10:55:07 GMT
Not a bad idea. It would never happen of course. Can you imagine how outraged the outraged left would be if it were proposed that only foreigners should carry ID cards. But that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. A good idea for what?. What are you going to do with these foreigners who don't have an ID card? - bearing in mind that the legal aid system and HRA make it almost impossible to deport murderers, rapists and drug dealers. So what chance of deporting somebody without an ID card? Most of them are working at your local takaways, or car washers, now and again they get raided, but none of them speaky English, and they are all under 16 with a beard and grey hair. |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 13, 2022 11:10:51 GMT
I suspect the ultimate aim is fore every person in the EU to have an ID card....unless of course they're one of thousands of immigrants. I have every confidence the ultimate aim is to have everyone on a digital database, Blair openly called for it in the 1990's. Since then things have moved on, quite a lot. ID cards and a cashless society, it gives the 'state' total control. People will have no privacy. This isn't dystopian fearmongering; it's already happening, and the reason it's happening is because most people are happy to carry hand held trackers 24/7 and do online banking and use plastic rather than cash. We are voluntarily walking into a surveillance society that even Orwell couldn't imagine. This shows it's already happening Lots of low level staff can access private info on anyone with a NI number - this civil servant tried to make excuses for looking up her neighbour and her self but her firing was upheld ( wonder why she hasn't been prosecuted?) Dismissing Miss Kelly's case, employment judge Jonathan Rodger said: 'It is clear to us that the Searchlight system is a powerful database which is open to abuse. 'It contains private financial and health information about almost every adult in the country.'Access to it is available to a large number of relatively low level employees. ' wstpost.com/officer-fired-for-looking-up-her-neighbor-on-government-database/ |
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