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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:09:23 GMT
Is he being paid by the Tories? I could just as easily wonder that about Labour.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:11:10 GMT
I think it would be healthy for politics to have a clearly defined left and right . Corbyn fits the part for the left but who would be the champion of the right ? Your best bet is probably Farage, perish the thought.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 10, 2024 13:15:53 GMT
Is he being paid by the Tories? I could just as easily wonder that about Labour. Not content to keep Labour unelectable for a decade he now wants to split the Labour vote when they have a real chance of getting the Tories out of power. He needs to recognise he was a failure and stick to tending his allotment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:28:53 GMT
Corbyn is not Blair the two could not by any means be compared. Corbyn would not have followed the USA, like a puppy, into the Iraq war and everybody knows it. He was constantly chastised for being too tolerant of other religions and lifestyles. Do you remember the big question that got a lot of coverage at the time, "Would you push the button" as I recall May said 'yes' without a pause and Corbyn 'dallied' and tried to quantify his answer, the public remembered that and it cost him. But 2019 was all about Brexit after years of stalling Johnson got the majority he needed. You can definitely say corbyn isn't Blair corby 2 GE and we won't mention the results of them will we, The first one he came very close considering the last thing the 'money' people in this country do not want a 'socialist' in power, they have to think of their money you know. The second was a mixture of anti-Semitism claims and Brexit. I think the claims of anti-Semitism against Corbyn and the left have been blown out of the water. Israel did not want a British PM that would recognise Palestine and the rest is history, they got their way. Brexit was different run by a populists, liar that wound up the worst in our society by weaponizing immigration, lefty lawyers were enemies, Judges were enemies, RNLI was an enemy, immigration was going to lead to the collapse of society, the border force was the enemy, France was an enemy............
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 10, 2024 13:34:44 GMT
I think the anti-Semitism slur can be seen for what it was, interference by Israel, the Labour and Conservative Friends of Israel and the British media. Corbyn, if he became PM, would have recognised a Palestinian state which would have made what is happening now in Gaza a lot more difficult. He has been on pro Palestine marches. The 2019 GE result was won by a liar, charlatan and law breaking idiot supported by people who believed Brexit would be good for the country.😂 my own observation would simply be to ask 1) was gerald kaufmann an antisemite and 2) why only jews who lost relatives to the germans are allowed to say what he said. if you knew anything about Kauffman you wouldnt of come out with that comment Kauffman was a out and out Zionist who Believed the state of Israel has a right to Excist and that Jewish people should live in there Ancestorall home hand . He's was very outspoken about how Israel committed Genacideal acts against the Palestinian people and was critual of the ultra right leader of Israel at the time. One thing Sir kauffman wouldn't of Done is called the trorrist group Hammas who's sole purpose is to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth our friends
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:37:02 GMT
I think the anti-Semitism slur can be seen for what it was, interference by Israel, the Labour and Conservative Friends of Israel and the British media. Corbyn, if he became PM, would have recognised a Palestinian state which would have made what is happening now in Gaza a lot more difficult. He has been on pro Palestine marches. The 2019 GE result was won by a liar, charlatan and law breaking idiot supported by people who believed Brexit would be good for the country.😂 my own observation would simply be to ask 1) was gerald kaufmann an antisemite and 2) why only jews who lost relatives to the germans are allowed to say what he said. I don't know him well enough to make that determination but I do know that many, many Jews agree with his sentiments. I assume you are talking about reference to Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza? I think the answer to that is out there for all to see now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:37:47 GMT
Before this descends into the usual tribal slanging match, I'd like to say that we need PR for this to work. That way we would have representation across the spectrum rather than the two main parties targeting the same, small set of voters.
I would like to see smaller parties gain a foothold because at the moment politics is dull, stale and unrepresentative.
I agree. Much as you have claimed in another thread recently to be a centrist, on most issues you are no more a centrist than I am. You are very much a creature of the right as I am of the left. But the current stitch up that is FPTP shuts you and others like you out as effectively as it does me and others like me. Under a truly democratic system, you lot would have significant representation in parliament. As would my lot. And the establishment parties are scared to death of that. So how we get them to concede genuine electoral reform is going to be a problem, yet somehow in the interests of democracy they need to be made to do it. My only slim hope is a hung parliament with Labour the largest party and the other parties that might support them insisting upon electoral reform as a condition. Starmer is so clearly desperate for the trappings of power that he just might consider that. It is a slim hope though because it is looking like a Labour landslide right now. And if that happens he will never concede the necessary reform. But even if we get a hung parliament, he might try to struggle through as the leader of a minority party hoping for a quick new election to win a majority, just to avoid having to concede PR. Plus in any case when the Lib Dems had the chance in 2010 they failed to make PR a condition of coalition but settled for so much less for the trappings of office, a squalid little compromise - to use their own words - which the people were never going to back. They might well cave in again for the trappings of office. So the chances of getting the necessary reform are slim indeed. But there is no hope for either of us - nor for democracy itself - unless we get it. How we make that happen is the million dollar question. Voting only for candidates who back such a reform is something people like us can do even if they are no hoper candidates, basically anyone but Labour or Tories. But there are not yet enough of us. We are still vastly outnumbered by the common sheeple, who dumbly consider only Labour or Tories. If they think about it at all they swallow the establishment parties' lines about a vote for anyone else being a wasted vote, both parties cynically highlighting the anti-democratic nature of the voting system to get the sheeple to vote for the only parties insistent upon maintaining it. And yet, for all the millions out there who are utterly disgusted with the establishment and sick to death of the economic, social, and political status quo, a vote for either Labour or the Tories is the ultimate wasted vote.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 10, 2024 13:38:46 GMT
You can definitely say corbyn isn't Blair corby 2 GE and we won't mention the results of them will we, The first one he came very close considering the last thing the 'money' people in this country do not want a 'socialist' in power, they have to think of their money you know. The second was a mixture of anti-Semitism claims and Brexit. I think the claims of anti-Semitism against Corbyn and the left have been blown out of the water. Israel did not want a British PM that would recognise Palestine and the rest is history, they got their way. Brexit was different run by a populists, liar that wound up the worst in our society by weaponizing immigration, lefty lawyers were enemies, Judges were enemies, RNLI was an enemy, immigration was going to lead to the collapse of society, the border force was the enemy, France was an enemy............ You do know that Sir Keir is in Favour of a 2 state solution to the problem in the Middle East don't you..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:39:20 GMT
my own observation would simply be to ask 1) was gerald kaufmann an antisemite and 2) why only jews who lost relatives to the germans are allowed to say what he said. if you knew anything about Kauffman you wouldnt of come out with that comment Kauffman was a out and out Zionist who Believed the state of Israel has a right to Excist and that Jewish people should live in there Ancestorall home hand . He's was very outspoken about how Israel committed Genacideal acts against the Palestinian people and was critual of the ultra right leader of Israel at the time. One thing Sir kauffman wouldn't of Done is called the trorrist group Hammas who's sole purpose is to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth our friends You still don't understand the etiquette of meetings, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:41:16 GMT
I could just as easily wonder that about Labour. Not content to keep Labour unelectable for a decade he now wants to split the Labour vote when they have a real chance of getting the Tories out of power. He needs to recognise he was a failure and stick to tending his allotment. When Labour is offering little but a more competent version of more of the same, I don't really care which of the establishment parties win. I want to vote for something I believe in. If that guarantees that my vote doesnt count then we clearly lack real democracy in this country.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 10, 2024 14:07:46 GMT
Not content to keep Labour unelectable for a decade he now wants to split the Labour vote when they have a real chance of getting the Tories out of power. He needs to recognise he was a failure and stick to tending his allotment. When Labour is offering little but a more competent version of more of the same, I don't really care which of the establishment parties win. I want to vote for something I believe in. If that guarantees that my vote doesnt count then we clearly lack real democracy in this country. The thing is Corbyn doesnt have a Comcept of Demorcacy Dose he.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 14:26:21 GMT
When Labour is offering little but a more competent version of more of the same, I don't really care which of the establishment parties win. I want to vote for something I believe in. If that guarantees that my vote doesnt count then we clearly lack real democracy in this country. The thing is Corbyn doesnt have a Comcept of Demorcacy Dose he. On what basis do you make such an accusation? Corbyn has many flaws but opposition to democracy itself is not one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 14:31:58 GMT
Hilarious, Labourites panicking over losing their far-left/Islamist supporters and splitting the vote.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 10, 2024 14:35:36 GMT
my own observation would simply be to ask 1) was gerald kaufmann an antisemite and 2) why only jews who lost relatives to the germans are allowed to say what he said. I don't know him well enough to make that determination but I do know that many, many Jews agree with his sentiments. I assume you are talking about reference to Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza? I think the answer to that is out there for all to see now. It was a while ago. Kaufmann was an MP who was both jewish and a pretty stiff opponent of the nastier side of the building of jewish townships on land stolen from the palestinians. The speech to which i refer is on youtube and is worth five mins of your time …. As you are not familiar with the speech the points i was making are first it is not jew hatred to criticise actions by the jews we would normally consider the actions of a parish rogue state, and second how come any gentile making such points is automatically labelled an anti semite (which given the word semite actually includes palestinians goes some way to show how they have in fact quite successfully donned the black uniforms and shiny boots …
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 14:39:23 GMT
The first one he came very close considering the last thing the 'money' people in this country do not want a 'socialist' in power, they have to think of their money you know. The second was a mixture of anti-Semitism claims and Brexit. I think the claims of anti-Semitism against Corbyn and the left have been blown out of the water. Israel did not want a British PM that would recognise Palestine and the rest is history, they got their way. Brexit was different run by a populists, liar that wound up the worst in our society by weaponizing immigration, lefty lawyers were enemies, Judges were enemies, RNLI was an enemy, immigration was going to lead to the collapse of society, the border force was the enemy, France was an enemy............ You do know that Sir Keir is in Favour of a 2 state solution to the problem in the Middle East don't you.. LOL "Sir" Keir. It's no wonder Comrade Corbyn saw an opportunity.
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