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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 9, 2024 20:24:19 GMT
In answer to the opening post
I really hope he does
Arthur Scargill did the Labour Party a favour by taking the worst of the uber Marxist nutters away to a fringe group who like the Trades Union Assholes Party at the 2009 Euro Elections took about 2% of the popular vote and got nowhere.
Corbyn, if he carries out this plan, will do to the Labour Party what Owen, Williams, Jenkins and the other one (bill rogers??) did to them in 1981. The whole of the modern day replacement for Militant Tendency and the odious shitbag that leads the Momentum Third Party Political Body will take their vote away from Starmer, and by so doing hand Fishy Rishi the lifeline he so badly needs.
I think this is the best news Rishi will have heard since he launched his plot to take the PM job in spite of the people electing the party leader telling the greasy little dago to fuck off.
I am surprised you cannot hear the Bollywood dance music coming out if number 10’s flat. He certainly has much to celebrate and dance a jig about if this is true
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 9, 2024 20:51:41 GMT
Before this descends into the usual tribal slanging match, I'd like to say that we need PR for this to work. That way we would have representation across the spectrum rather than the two main parties targeting the same, small set of voters.
I would like to see smaller parties gain a foothold because at the moment politics is dull, stale and unrepresentative.
Remember the PR referendum which wasn't? I want PR but I voted against Cameron and Cleggs fudge because it was not PR. I want PR by party list. How difficult is that? I agree. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jan 9, 2024 21:11:35 GMT
I think it would be healthy for politics to have a clearly defined left and right . Corbyn fits the part for the left but who would be the champion of the right ? Liz Truss.🤣 Seriously though, Jacob Rees Mogg. Too middle of the road for my liking . Its quite telling in recent years that any Tory that's not a social democrat is called right wing . They are not , they are just Tories |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 9, 2024 23:42:56 GMT
Before this descends into the usual tribal slanging match, I'd like to say that we need PR for this to work. That way we would have representation across the spectrum rather than the two main parties targeting the same, small set of voters.
I would like to see smaller parties gain a foothold because at the moment politics is dull, stale and unrepresentative.
I’ve said this before but … Ok let’s suppose we had TRUE PR as the liberals in Cardiff told me they wanted in the 1970’s Every vote counts against a party not a person and the party chooses who actually gets to sit in the ‘n’ seats out of the total allocated to them The up side is that far more people feel their voice has been heard The down side is Nick Griffin and Anjem Choudhury both win seats to Westminster, and maybe thirty parties have to work out ehether they want to govern or loyally oppose. If we don’t have true PR what else ? Tbe d’Hondt system that deals out seats to the biggest four ?? I’m not really looking for answers here, just highlighting issues, but i agree FPTP as implemented today means about 70% of tbe electorate need not bother to vote as their vote will do nothing about the man, woman, or thing self identifying as something they aren’t who they detest winning the seat |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 8:21:19 GMT
Corbyn tried Splitting the Labour party up When he was leader of the labour party With his Antisemitism . It took him 6 weeks to speakout Against Hamas and there terrorist attacks on Israel in October. I'm surprised he hasn't turned up with his Supporters. On the pro Palestinian March's. He undoubtedly cased labour a lot of harm. What resulted in the worse defeat for Labour in 30yrs .and lost over 20 red wall seateso. One of them was where I lived at the time in Heywood. Are you the lad From Liverpool who's a Cabby . If you remember a few years ago. When I said people in this Country don't like the far right or Far left. And the 2019 GE.Result for labour proven me Right. I think the anti-Semitism slur can be seen for what it was, interference by Israel, the Labour and Conservative Friends of Israel and the British media. Corbyn, if he became PM, would have recognised a Palestinian state which would have made what is happening now in Gaza a lot more difficult. He has been on pro Palestine marches. The 2019 GE result was won by a liar, charlatan and law breaking idiot supported by people who believed Brexit would be good for the country.😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 8:22:17 GMT
Corbyn tried Splitting the Labour party up When he was leader of the labour party With his Antisemitism . It took him 6 weeks to speakout Against Hamas and there terrorist attacks on Israel in October. I'm surprised he hasn't turned up with his Supporters. On the pro Palestinian March's. He undoubtedly cased labour a lot of harm. What resulted in the worse defeat for Labour in 30yrs .and lost over 20 red wall seateso. One of them was where I lived at the time in Heywood. Are you the lad From Liverpool who's a Cabby . If you remember a few years ago. When I said people in this Country don't like the far right or Far left. And the 2019 GE.Result for labour proven me Right. Well done that man.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 8:25:23 GMT
Liz Truss.🤣 Seriously though, Jacob Rees Mogg. Too middle of the road for my liking . Its quite telling in recent years that any Tory that's not a social democrat is called right wing . They are not , they are just Tories You must admit though, it would be funny. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jan 10, 2024 8:45:48 GMT
Too middle of the road for my liking . Its quite telling in recent years that any Tory that's not a social democrat is called right wing . They are not , they are just Tories You must admit though, it would be funny. With the best will in the world I find it hard to see anything funny about the Tory party |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 8:58:46 GMT
You must admit though, it would be funny. With the best will in the world I find it hard to see anything funny about the Tory party Agreed. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 10, 2024 9:09:37 GMT
Corbyn tried Splitting the Labour party up When he was leader of the labour party With his Antisemitism . It took him 6 weeks to speakout Against Hamas and there terrorist attacks on Israel in October. I'm surprised he hasn't turned up with his Supporters. On the pro Palestinian March's. He undoubtedly cased labour a lot of harm. What resulted in the worse defeat for Labour in 30yrs .and lost over 20 red wall seateso. One of them was where I lived at the time in Heywood. Are you the lad From Liverpool who's a Cabby . If you remember a few years ago. When I said people in this Country don't like the far right or Far left. And the 2019 GE.Result for labour proven me Right. I think the anti-Semitism slur can be seen for what it was, interference by Israel, the Labour and Conservative Friends of Israel and the British media. Corbyn, if he became PM, would have recognised a Palestinian state which would have made what is happening now in Gaza a lot more difficult. He has been on pro Palestine marches. The 2019 GE result was won by a liar, charlatan and law breaking idiot supported by people who believed Brexit would be good for the country.😂 I agree with your last part of the Statement .😂 But are you saying Corbyn Only lost the 2019 GE Because of Brexit that simply isn't true The 2005 Iraq was had more effect and New labour/Tony Blair would that with a consecutive majority for the 3rd time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 9:20:23 GMT
I think the anti-Semitism slur can be seen for what it was, interference by Israel, the Labour and Conservative Friends of Israel and the British media. Corbyn, if he became PM, would have recognised a Palestinian state which would have made what is happening now in Gaza a lot more difficult. He has been on pro Palestine marches. The 2019 GE result was won by a liar, charlatan and law breaking idiot supported by people who believed Brexit would be good for the country.😂 I agree with your last part of the Statement .😂 But are you saying Corbyn Only lost the 2019 GE Because of Brexit that simply isn't true The 2005 Iraq was had more effect and New labour/Tony Blair would that with a consecutive majority for the 3rd time. Corbyn is not Blair the two could not by any means be compared. Corbyn would not have followed the USA, like a puppy, into the Iraq war and everybody knows it. He was constantly chastised for being too tolerant of other religions and lifestyles. Do you remember the big question that got a lot of coverage at the time, "Would you push the button" as I recall May said 'yes' without a pause and Corbyn 'dallied' and tried to quantify his answer, the public remembered that and it cost him. But 2019 was all about Brexit after years of stalling Johnson got the majority he needed. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 10, 2024 10:42:07 GMT
It doesn't seem to bother you that Farage led the lies over Brexit. What did he lie about, and none of your usual nonsense?
State point by point why he lied?
We will give you time because we know you struggle with the truth, can't say fairer than that.
Why are we waiting, why are we waiting..... oh why oh why?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 10, 2024 12:38:57 GMT
I agree with your last part of the Statement .😂 But are you saying Corbyn Only lost the 2019 GE Because of Brexit that simply isn't true The 2005 Iraq was had more effect and New labour/Tony Blair would that with a consecutive majority for the 3rd time. Corbyn is not Blair the two could not by any means be compared. Corbyn would not have followed the USA, like a puppy, into the Iraq war and everybody knows it. He was constantly chastised for being too tolerant of other religions and lifestyles. Do you remember the big question that got a lot of coverage at the time, "Would you push the button" as I recall May said 'yes' without a pause and Corbyn 'dallied' and tried to quantify his answer, the public remembered that and it cost him. But 2019 was all about Brexit after years of stalling Johnson got the majority he needed. You can definitely say corbyn isn't Blair corby 2 GE and we won't mention the results of them will we, |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 10, 2024 12:51:36 GMT
Corbyn tried Splitting the Labour party up When he was leader of the labour party With his Antisemitism . It took him 6 weeks to speakout Against Hamas and there terrorist attacks on Israel in October. I'm surprised he hasn't turned up with his Supporters. On the pro Palestinian March's. He undoubtedly cased labour a lot of harm. What resulted in the worse defeat for Labour in 30yrs .and lost over 20 red wall seateso. One of them was where I lived at the time in Heywood. Are you the lad From Liverpool who's a Cabby . If you remember a few years ago. When I said people in this Country don't like the far right or Far left. And the 2019 GE.Result for labour proven me Right. I think the anti-Semitism slur can be seen for what it was, interference by Israel, the Labour and Conservative Friends of Israel and the British media. Corbyn, if he became PM, would have recognised a Palestinian state which would have made what is happening now in Gaza a lot more difficult. He has been on pro Palestine marches. The 2019 GE result was won by a liar, charlatan and law breaking idiot supported by people who believed Brexit would be good for the country.😂 my own observation would simply be to ask 1) was gerald kaufmann an antisemite and 2) why only jews who lost relatives to the germans are allowed to say what he said. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:08:15 GMT
It is rumoured that Jeremy Corbyn is either going to launch or contribute to a new left of centre party to rival the more right wing Labour party. Personally I think this is a good idea and there would be a lot of support for him. It is though only a rumour. Well at least it would give me something to vote for. Sadly however the FPTP stitch up ensures that no new party either of the right or the left is likely to gain any seats. All such a party could hope to do is what Reform is doing to the Tories, ie damage the Labour vote to try and drag it back leftwards. We need electoral reform before any genuinely new party can be viable in terms of gaining representation. The problem is that the establishment parties are unlikely to ever concede that because the current voting system locks anti-establishment parties out whilst offering the illusion of democracy. And yet, knowing all that, I would still back a new genuinely left party. Because there are no other options and we have to start somewhere. |
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