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Post by Einhorn on Jan 12, 2024 17:23:24 GMT
That makes no sense. Zany said he wants the pills precisely because he can no longer articulate it (and this condition makes him a burden). Yep. That and my own unawareness of my situation. Yeah, Bentley's remark was somewhat bizarre. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 12, 2024 17:38:38 GMT
So you want to make a binding decision that you might not want to do in say 20 years time but can’t be reversed because you cannot articulate it ? Of course you can rescind it if you wish. Just like any will. But what you are asking is : If I make a will saying I want to end my life when I am no longer sentient. Then having reached the point where I am no longer sentient, that I might wish to reverse it. Are you for real? Are you? You want to arbitrarily be killed at the point where you are incapable of articulating a request not to to be killed. Now that is bizarre.. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 12, 2024 18:42:30 GMT
Of course you can rescind it if you wish. Just like any will. But what you are asking is : If I make a will saying I want to end my life when I am no longer sentient. Then having reached the point where I am no longer sentient, that I might wish to reverse it. Are you for real? Are you? You want to arbitrarily be killed at the point where you are incapable of articulating a request not to to be killed. Now that is bizarre.. Do you want the right to challenge the doctors turning off life support when you're brain dead? Sigh. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 12, 2024 18:52:15 GMT
Are you? You want to arbitrarily be killed at the point where you are incapable of articulating a request not to to be killed. Now that is bizarre.. Do you want the right to challenge the doctors turning off life support when you're brain dead? Sigh. Now you have switched the criteria to brain dead . Just a few posts ago it was “when I am unable to recognise my wife..”. Sigh. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 12, 2024 19:06:53 GMT
Do you want the right to challenge the doctors turning off life support when you're brain dead? Sigh. Now you have switched the criteria to brain dead . Just a few posts ago it was “when I am unable to recognise my wife..”. Sigh. When I get to the point where I can't recognise my own wife then as far as I'm concerned, I'm brain dead. I can understand you having a lower bar. |
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Post by dappy on Jan 12, 2024 19:18:13 GMT
Let’s try to keep this conversation civil. Not an issue to bicker over.
I personally would be very comfortable trusting my family making a decision over whether my life was worth living or not in circumstances where I could no longer make that decision for myself.
If you are not, don’t sign the living will in the first place.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 12, 2024 19:26:58 GMT
Let’s try to keep this conversation civil. Not an issue to bicker over. I personally would be very comfortable trusting my family making a decision over whether my life was worth living or not in circumstances where I could no longer make that decision for myself. If you are not, don’t sign the living will in the first place. The thing I like about the living will is that it takes responsibility away from my loved ones. I can't imagine my wife and kids trying to decide whether to end my life. Far better that I laid down very specific tests. (My example of being able to recognise my wife is only an outline) |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 12, 2024 19:32:54 GMT
Now you have switched the criteria to brain dead . Just a few posts ago it was “when I am unable to recognise my wife..”. Sigh. When I get to the point where I can't recognise my own wife then as far as I'm concerned, I'm brain dead. I can understand you having a lower bar. But you are not brain dead . As I said before , we should not try to justify assisted suicide through subjective emotions and white knights . You want someone to kill you at just about the precise point where you can’t call it off. Its bizarre. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 12, 2024 19:34:55 GMT
When I get to the point where I can't recognise my own wife then as far as I'm concerned, I'm brain dead. I can understand you having a lower bar. But you are not brain dead . As I said before , we should not try to justify assisted suicide through subjective emotions and white knights . You want someone to kill you at just about the precise point where you can’t call it off. Its bizarre. I'm not dancing with you Bentley. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 12, 2024 19:39:28 GMT
Let’s try to keep this conversation civil. Not an issue to bicker over. I personally would be very comfortable trusting my family making a decision over whether my life was worth living or not in circumstances where I could no longer make that decision for myself. If you are not, don’t sign the living will in the first place. Who’s bickering? I asked for clarification and received moving goal,posts . I can sympathise with someone wanting to be released from dreadful pain with no prospect of relief if they decided it at the time or if they agreed to allow their relations to work out a pathway with doctors but that wasn’t it. It was more of ‘ I want to be a white knight now by being killed when I am at my most vulnerable “. Ill have no truck with that . |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 12, 2024 19:40:38 GMT
But you are not brain dead . As I said before , we should not try to justify assisted suicide through subjective emotions and white knights . You want someone to kill you at just about the precise point where you can’t call it off. Its bizarre. I'm not dancing with you Bentley. I don’t want to dance . I want to reply to sensible posts . |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 12, 2024 19:50:50 GMT
I'm not dancing with you Bentley. I don’t want to dance . I want to reply to sensible posts . But I never mentioned wanting to change my position after I was unable to, you added that ridiculous idea. I've been very clear. I used the example of me not being able to recognise my own wife because I thought everyone would get how mentally gone you would have to be to not recognise your own wife. You then come up with the ridiculous idea that I could then challenge such a decision. Your just daft dancing again and I'm not interested. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 12, 2024 20:00:20 GMT
I don’t want to dance . I want to reply to sensible posts . But I never mentioned wanting to change my position after I was unable to, you added that ridiculous idea. I've been very clear. I used the example of me not being able to recognise my own wife because I thought everyone would get how mentally gone you would have to be to not recognise your own wife. You then come up with the ridiculous idea that I could then challenge such a decision. You’re just daft dancing again and I'm not interested. I didn’t ‘ add’ it. I pointed out the bleeding obvious . You can’t accept that your ‘ white knight’ plan is to be killed at the precise time when you are unable to reverse your death wish . Your criteria for being killed isn’t that your life becomes unbearable, it’s to carry out a ‘ white knight’ pledge that you made ( hopefully ) years before . Its based on emotion and subjectivity. It completely justifies my advice for extreme caution and made a very good case against yourself. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 12, 2024 20:25:43 GMT
Let’s try to keep this conversation civil. Not an issue to bicker over. I personally would be very comfortable trusting my family making a decision over whether my life was worth living or not in circumstances where I could no longer make that decision for myself. If you are not, don’t sign the living will in the first place. So I assume that you think you should be allowed to make decisions over whether your life is worth living or not ? |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 12, 2024 20:29:02 GMT
But I never mentioned wanting to change my position after I was unable to, you added that ridiculous idea. I've been very clear. I used the example of me not being able to recognise my own wife because I thought everyone would get how mentally gone you would have to be to not recognise your own wife. You then come up with the ridiculous idea that I could then challenge such a decision. You’re just daft dancing again and I'm not interested. I didn’t ‘ add’ it. I pointed out the bleeding obvious . You can’t accept that your ‘ white knight’ plan is to be killed at the precise time when you are unable to reverse your death wish .Your criteria for being killed isn’t that your life becomes unbearable, it’s to carry out a ‘ white knight’ pledge that you made ( hopefully ) years before . Its based on emotion and subjectivity. It completely justifies my advice for extreme caution and made a very good case against yourself. Agreed I can't. |
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