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Post by zanygame on Jan 7, 2024 22:35:07 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jan 7, 2024 22:38:58 GMT
Suicide is very easy to contemplate but very difficult to perform. Depression and pain will be your friend in that pursuit. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 8, 2024 1:45:57 GMT
It's not the right to die that is the problem, it is the amount of people that will be pressurised / feel a duty to die.
Also, things that are voluntary can easily become mandatory, especially when countries become increasingly top heavy.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2024 7:22:10 GMT
It's not the right to die that is the problem, it is the amount of people that will be pressurised / feel a duty to die. Also, things that are voluntary can easily become mandatory, especially when countries become increasingly top heavy. That's the point of the living will. That I fit and healthy aged 65 set out a series of conditions under which I would not wish to be alive. No one can pressurise me because those conditions are what determines whether the doctors agree to end my life. I disagree that it could easily become mandatory, we can't even get it voluntary. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 8, 2024 7:32:16 GMT
It's not the right to die that is the problem, it is the amount of people that will be pressurised / feel a duty to die. Also, things that are voluntary can easily become mandatory, especially when countries become increasingly top heavy. That's the point of the living will. That I fit and healthy aged 65 set out a series of conditions under which I would not wish to be alive. No one can pressurise me because those conditions are what determines whether the doctors agree to end my life. I disagree that it could easily become mandatory, we can't even get it voluntary. I think you might be right without a life there is no life. |
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Post by Vanna on Jan 8, 2024 7:46:00 GMT
Agree with Zany. The mark of an advanced culture is the right to die. My cousin's husband recently passed on this way from a living will. Instead of keeping him alive on a machine, he was freed. And there should be no harassment of any relatives or friends who help the sufferer in this regard. It's puerile to accuse them of collusion in murder. We set our animal companions free this way, why not our own kind?
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Post by Orac on Jan 8, 2024 10:26:29 GMT
It's not the right to die that is the problem, it is the amount of people that will be pressurised / feel a duty to die. Also, things that are voluntary can easily become mandatory, especially when countries become increasingly top heavy. No one can pressurise me because those conditions are what determines whether the doctors agree to end my life. Could you not be pressured to change the will? |
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Post by piglet on Jan 8, 2024 11:21:13 GMT
Research into near death experiencers has thrown up some interesting things, one of them is this, that those who fight death, want to hang on, suffer dreadfully, those who let go, accept death, pass on without a problem, or even suffering.
Dr Mary Neal, in the process of dying being caught in a waterfall under water, accepted her death, thinking" thy will be done", and in thinking that, she did not suffer at all, not even oxygen starvation, her passage to the next life was seamless. And she wasnt religious at all. As for me, im not going to seek death, or try to avoid it, dying before your time is a big no no. Ester Rantzen who started this, is an extrovert, hang on now. Extroverts get energy from attention, this seems to be a way for her to get in the limelight again. Introverts, like me, get a recharge by being alone.
Thank god, being among people for too long is draining, an hour is just enough. My ex wife, and im sure Rantzen could go all night and not draw breath, Rantzens joy at a camera being pointed at her is a picture. Bit sad she does it this way.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2024 19:09:16 GMT
No one can pressurise me because those conditions are what determines whether the doctors agree to end my life. Could you not be pressured to change the will? Far more difficult. A will made when someone was younger and fit would be hard to challenge in an elderly person losing their senses. I do think such a will should have limitations. You shouldn't be allowed to ask to be killed for something as generic as 'I'm bored with life' even though this is a common thread of the very old. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 8, 2024 19:26:01 GMT
Could you not be pressured to change the will? Far more difficult. A will made when someone was younger and fit would be hard to challenge in an elderly person losing their senses. I do think such a will should have limitations. You shouldn't be allowed to ask to be killed for something as generic as 'I'm bored with life' even though this is a common thread of the very old. Elderly mum/dad with full mental faculties and worth a few bob living with impecunious son/daughter and kid Parent - ''I'm a nuisance to you - you shouldn't be putting up with me, you'd be better off without me '' Son/daughter - ''Yes mum - we would be much better - I'm working tomorrow but I'll book the Swiss flight for Friday' That's the problem with any attempt at codification |
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Post by Orac on Jan 8, 2024 19:28:54 GMT
Could you not be pressured to change the will? Far more difficult. A will made when someone was younger and fit would be hard to challenge in an elderly person losing their senses. I do think such a will should have limitations. You shouldn't be allowed to ask to be killed for something as generic as 'I'm bored with life' even though this is a common thread of the very old. I don't think you can put a legal line between the two - Being pressured to change a will that will allow you to die Being pressured to volunteer to be allowed to die Put to one side 'bored with life' and only consider cases in which you will die without intervention. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 8, 2024 20:06:48 GMT
Far more difficult. A will made when someone was younger and fit would be hard to challenge in an elderly person losing their senses. I do think such a will should have limitations. You shouldn't be allowed to ask to be killed for something as generic as 'I'm bored with life' even though this is a common thread of the very old. I don't think you can put a legal line between the two - Being pressured to change a will that will allow you to die Being pressured to volunteer to be allowed to die Put to one side 'bored with life' and only consider cases in which you will die without intervention. I think what is happening in Canada is a warning to everyone although I would like the right for myself. Cleft stick. |
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Post by Ripley on Jan 8, 2024 20:33:29 GMT
I believe that everyone should have the right to end his or her own life when it becomes unbearable due to illness. However, it could be asking too much of physicians to perform the deed, so they ought not to be compelled to participate. A better way, in my opinion, is for the patient to self administer a lethal prescription in controlled circumstances and only when two or three doctors have confirmed the diagnosis and at least one medical health professional has found the patient competent to decide.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 8, 2024 20:43:25 GMT
According to my Aunt , my uncle was helped in his way to death by a doctor in the 1950s and I believe her.
It would be much harder today and more dangerous for the doctor .
There are enough physicians killing unborn babies today so it’s ironic that they are not allowed to kill people in agony on deaths door.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2024 21:53:30 GMT
Far more difficult. A will made when someone was younger and fit would be hard to challenge in an elderly person losing their senses. I do think such a will should have limitations. You shouldn't be allowed to ask to be killed for something as generic as 'I'm bored with life' even though this is a common thread of the very old. Elderly mum/dad with full mental faculties and worth a few bob living with impecunious son/daughter and kid Parent - ''I'm a nuisance to you - you shouldn't be putting up with me, you'd be better off without me '' Son/daughter - ''Yes mum - we would be much better - I'm working tomorrow but I'll book the Swiss flight for Friday' That's the problem with any attempt at codification Two things. 1, you condemn those who wish to die, to save a tiny minority. 2, Much less elderly mum/dad makes living will stating clearly the only circumstances under which they would end their lives. Living will is registered and adhered to. |
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