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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2024 11:58:27 GMT
Again Dan, you're misrepresenting the stats because as an ex Pat, you have a loyalty to the EU because it made it easy for you to move around. But other than that, what economic advantage did it provide the UK? None. Membership was a failure. High unemployment signified that. Industrial decline signified that. The high trade deficit with the EU signified that. Our economy is growing, things are improving. They are not as good as the Outers when it comes to lying and to selling their lies. All your negatives are down to the very long term failure of the UK to cope. And that despite a period of success under New Labour. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 8, 2024 12:02:38 GMT
Dan, since 2020 there's been a global pandemic causing one of the most serious recessions in world history, a war between two of the world's biggest suppliers of foods and fuels.
And these do not seem to be being taken into account by those arguing against Brexit.
I certainly see no evidence that you have factored these into your arguments against it.
Therefore, if you take statistics affected by these factors and do not mention the effect of these events, but you speak of the state of our economy.
Are you not misrepresenting statistics?
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 8, 2024 12:08:20 GMT
Again Dan, you're misrepresenting the stats because as an ex Pat, you have a loyalty to the EU because it made it easy for you to move around. But other than that, what economic advantage did it provide the UK? None. Membership was a failure. High unemployment signified that. Industrial decline signified that. The high trade deficit with the EU signified that. Our economy is growing, things are improving. Yet this trio of markers still exist and unemployment/ vacancies are holding back any potential for growth. And in fact the number of LEGAL immigration has gone up. Progress?? So how did leaving improve them ? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 8, 2024 12:12:13 GMT
They are not as good as the Outers when it comes to lying and to selling their lies. All your negatives are down to the very long term failure of the UK to cope. And that despite a period of success under New Labour. Sorry, I have no idea what you are rambling on about. You seem to have problems understanding three dimensional arguments. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 8, 2024 12:15:05 GMT
Dan, since 2020 there's been a global pandemic causing one of the most serious recessions in world history, a war between two of the world's biggest suppliers of foods and fuels. And these do not seem to be being taken into account by those arguing against Brexit. I certainly see no evidence that you have factored these into your arguments against it. Therefore, if you take statistics affected by these factors and do not mention the effect of these events, but you speak of the state of our economy. Are you not misrepresenting statistics? The same issues affected all western liberal allies. One side of the equation of excuses cancels out the other side. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 8, 2024 12:54:37 GMT
Dan, since 2020 there's been a global pandemic causing one of the most serious recessions in world history, a war between two of the world's biggest suppliers of foods and fuels. And these do not seem to be being taken into account by those arguing against Brexit. I certainly see no evidence that you have factored these into your arguments against it. Therefore, if you take statistics affected by these factors and do not mention the effect of these events, but you speak of the state of our economy. Are you not misrepresenting statistics? How can you misrepresent statistics that you don't even mention let alone make an argument around?
As a reminder, it was you who introduced the economy and the trade figures into this discussion, not me. All I was doing is exposing the threadbare nature of your arguments.
As a matter of fact, my own view is that the economic fallout from Brexit is one of the less important malevolent side-effects. The UK has had a structurally imbalanced economy and a chronic balance of payments deficit since long before it joined the Common Market and has continued to do so since it left. There is no prospect of any meaningful change in the future either.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 8, 2024 13:30:06 GMT
I introduced export stats.
Exports are well above inflation.
Imports are well above inflation.
If Brexit wasn't working, then inflation adjusted, our exports would be worth less than when we were members.
It stands to reason.
Therefore, whatever you're complaining about, is something else entirely.
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Post by sandypine on Jan 8, 2024 13:37:23 GMT
sandypine But your government post brexit was ethnically pure brexit. Those who disagreed were thrown out of the party...Dominic Grieve etc. What you are finally seeing is the crap that promoted brexit being seen for what they are and always were...liars, pirhanas in a small self defined pool. Those who thought that the public were so stupid as to swallow any shiny promise they made. Well it has taken 8 years for the public to see under their skirts. You can fool some of the people some of the time but eventually when you dont deliver, and they make fools of themselves, the public realises they have been conned. And you can expect a whipping. I would disagree post Brexit, it could be argued post 2019 but by then it was too late as the die had been cast and the damage done by those whose democratic credentials were at best suspect. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 8, 2024 14:12:09 GMT
I introduced export stats. Exports are well above inflation. Imports are well above inflation. If Brexit wasn't working, then inflation adjusted, our exports would be worth less than when we were members. It stands to reason. Therefore, whatever you're complaining about, is something else entirely. Comparing imports/exports to inflation is childishly simplistic. It omits relative value of currency,and costs of customs charges and bureaucracy. The UK has kept its trade deals made by the EU. Why would anyone expect to see big changes in gdp...other than Vinny who really has no clue what he is talking about. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2024 14:33:31 GMT
I believe the figures were revised:
It would have helped me if they had given a graph as in the earlier figures. Just how much of the "Lag" was overcome and where were the relationships in terms of GDP by 2022 or 23. There doesn't appear to be any great improvement. But I do accept that some improvements in the UK position did take place. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 8, 2024 15:26:38 GMT
Oh dear remainers.... World class' Brexit Britain smashes EUSSR to claim new global status in Rejoiner hammer blow.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2024 19:04:06 GMT
Oh dear remainers.... World class' Brexit Britain smashes EUSSR to claim new global status in Rejoiner hammer blow.
Thanks Jonsky. Really good article. Once you get past the Daily Express spin bit. Its about British industry saying there are big opportunities if the government starts lowering interest rates. Well yes I agree there. Raising interest rates to lower inflation caused by foreign oil, gas and food prices was stupid in the first place. Sure its stopped inflation but only by killing the economy. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 8, 2024 22:52:43 GMT
Oh dear remainers.... World class' Brexit Britain smashes EUSSR to claim new global status in Rejoiner hammer blow.
Thanks Jonsky. Really good article. Once you get past the Daily Express spin bit. Its about British industry saying there are big opportunities if the government starts lowering interest rates. Well yes I agree there. Raising interest rates to lower inflation caused by foreign oil, gas and food prices was stupid in the first place. Sure its stopped inflation but only by killing the economy. you have a better way? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2024 2:47:10 GMT
Oh dear remainers.... World class' Brexit Britain smashes EUSSR to claim new global status in Rejoiner hammer blow.
Thanks Jonsky. Really good article. Once you get past the Daily Express spin bit. Its about British industry saying there are big opportunities if the government starts lowering interest rates. Well yes I agree there. Raising interest rates to lower inflation caused by foreign oil, gas and food prices was stupid in the first place. Sure its stopped inflation but only by killing the economy. No news is good news for any ardent remaniners.
Italy calls for EUSSR Army - proving Brexiteers absolutely right, says Michael Heaver....
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 9, 2024 7:39:10 GMT
I repeat.
Instead of trying to increase growth from inside, the government should do all it can to entice direct foreign investment, including lowering interest rates, corporation tax and special rates on loans through UK banks plus special purchase rates on land or premises.
One of the biggest issues is showing stability of government and solid long term direction and plans.
These are the most important issues to business which may invest billions in the country.
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