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Post by zanygame on Feb 10, 2024 13:30:59 GMT
This.. From the king of the banned. But alive and kicking unlike your beloved EUSSR.. Kicking like a donkey. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 10, 2024 13:54:14 GMT
But alive and kicking unlike your beloved EUSSR.. Kicking like a donkey. But not trolling unlike you zany..Even the mindzone is not free of your so called attempts at debating by trying to inflict putdowns. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 10, 2024 13:59:34 GMT
But not trolling unlike you zany..Even the mindzone is not free of your so called attempts at debating by trying to inflict putdowns. Lol. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 10, 2024 14:05:32 GMT
Meanwhile on Planet Earth, Brexit is a success, the trade deficit is falling, the amount of exporting we're doing is up, managed decline is officially over, and the national coffers are better off.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 10, 2024 14:08:04 GMT
Meanwhile on Planet Earth, Brexit is a success, the trade deficit is falling, the amount of exporting we're doing is up, managed decline is officially over, and the national coffers are better off. Keep repeating it Vinny and it will be real. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 10, 2024 14:11:31 GMT
It is real.
Look at the export stats from before and compare to now.
Use an inflation calculator and work it out.
Your arguments are flawed.
Yes, I get it you like the EU, why I don't know, free movement maybe?
But it wasn't working when we were in.
Manufacturer after manufacturer left us.
Even Ford stopped making cars and vans here and yet we're told it was good for jobs.
It wasn't.
After the vote to leave, industry got the biggest boost it had received for decades, unemployment fell.
Exports rose dramatically imports rose as well.
We'd all be worse off if we were members, and going back would mean joining the Euro and Schengen, and we wouldn't have a veto.
You know we're not going back, so stop sulking and get on with your life.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 10, 2024 14:11:46 GMT
Meanwhile on Planet Earth, Brexit is a success, the trade deficit is falling, the amount of exporting we're doing is up, managed decline is officially over, and the national coffers are better off. Keep repeating it Vinny and it will be real. It is real...And its good to see you remainers inheriting the shit show they have sewn for themselves.. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 10, 2024 14:32:11 GMT
Government borrowing to accommodate and sustain the 100,000 plus boat-people who have arrived since 2018 will have boosted economic growth too. What's that got to do with Brexit? That's an incompetence which would have happened anyway, and even if we'd stayed they would still have come. Just look at this from 2000: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/796791.stm58 dead in back of lorry. This has been going on for a very long time. Both the EU and successive British governments have done nothing at all to stop it. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 10, 2024 14:40:24 GMT
It is real. Look at the export stats from before and compare to now. Use an inflation calculator and work it out. Your arguments are flawed. Yes, I get it you like the EU, why I don't know, free movement maybe? But it wasn't working when we were in. Manufacturer after manufacturer left us. Even Ford stopped making cars and vans here and yet we're told it was good for jobs. It wasn't. After the vote to leave, industry got the biggest boost it had received for decades, unemployment fell. Exports rose dramatically imports rose as well. We'd all be worse off if we were members, and going back would mean joining the Euro and Schengen, and we wouldn't have a veto. You know we're not going back, so stop sulking and get on with your life. It would be an interesting discussion Vinny, why manufacturer after manufacturer left us for the EU when the EU was also in the EU. The advantage of being in the EU was that we shared the advantages of a superpower. We could demand better trade deals In the meantime costofbrexit.netlify.app/www.euronews.com/business/2024/01/12/brexit-here-is-how-much-it-has-cost-for-british-peopleBritain's departure from the European Union has cost its economy some £140 billion (€162.87 billion) so far, with an economic output of 6% less than if the UK had remained in the EU, according to a report by Cambridge Econometrics.www.itv.com/news/2022-12-20/brexit-costs-government-40-billion-a-year-in-lost-tax-revenueThere's lots more if you want to read them.
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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2024 15:37:07 GMT
nope , im not saying that at all. Re read my posts , and please stop inventing things because you can't prove labour in scotland have autonomy from the London headquarters. I gave a full explanation to your question in my previous post, so don't ask again. you didnt. You keep waffling about devolution , which you dont understand , and devolved policy , and time and again cannot address the question at hand regarding the Labour Party in scotland being a tightly controlled accounting unit of London labour , who have no autonomy to set policy in scotland .The policy is set by the London labour leader , as numerous Scottish labour leaders have said over many years since devolution began. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 10, 2024 18:02:25 GMT
It is real. Look at the export stats from before and compare to now. Use an inflation calculator and work it out. Your arguments are flawed. Yes, I get it you like the EU, why I don't know, free movement maybe? But it wasn't working when we were in. Manufacturer after manufacturer left us. Even Ford stopped making cars and vans here and yet we're told it was good for jobs. It wasn't. After the vote to leave, industry got the biggest boost it had received for decades, unemployment fell. Exports rose dramatically imports rose as well. We'd all be worse off if we were members, and going back would mean joining the Euro and Schengen, and we wouldn't have a veto. You know we're not going back, so stop sulking and get on with your life. It would be an interesting discussion Vinny, why manufacturer after manufacturer left us for the EU when the EU was also in the EU. The advantage of being in the EU was that we shared the advantages of a superpower. We could demand better trade deals In the meantime costofbrexit.netlify.app/www.euronews.com/business/2024/01/12/brexit-here-is-how-much-it-has-cost-for-british-peopleBritain's departure from the European Union has cost its economy some £140 billion (€162.87 billion) so far, with an economic output of 6% less than if the UK had remained in the EU, according to a report by Cambridge Econometrics.www.itv.com/news/2022-12-20/brexit-costs-government-40-billion-a-year-in-lost-tax-revenueThere's lots more if you want to read them.
Did you read it? It actually tells you that their calculations are not correct as it was made using out of date information - also it claims that there are now 1.8 million fewer jobs overall in the UK as a result of Brexit. The truth is that the number of jobs is at a record high.  |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 10, 2024 19:12:22 GMT
Did you read it? It actually tells you that their calculations are not correct as it was made using out of date information - also it claims that there are now 1.8 million fewer jobs overall in the UK as a result of Brexit. The truth is that the number of jobs is at a record high. Choose one of the others then. Or find me one that concludes we are better off. That way I wont think you are cherry picking data. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 10, 2024 20:23:13 GMT
I gave a full explanation to your question in my previous post, so don't ask again. you didnt. You keep waffling about devolution , which you dont understand , and devolved policy , and time and again cannot address the question at hand regarding the Labour Party in scotland being a tightly controlled accounting unit of London labour , who have no autonomy to set policy in scotland .The policy is set by the London labour leader , as numerous Scottish labour leaders have said over many years since devolution began. I didn't waffle on about devolution you did. You wanted devolution within the Labour Party, and as I pointed out that is just a nonsense. If basic 'Scottish Labour' policy and funding is set by UK Labour that would be because it is the same Labour Party. --" Scottish Labour is the Scottish wing of the Great Britain-wide Labour Party"-- . The policies for any Political Party are set by the Party. You have pointed to whinging claimed to be by Scottish Labour, but you have not given one single clear or distinct example of just what exactly the whinge is about. Until you do it cannot be properly discussed. I await your example. Scotland has Six political parties, if Scottish Labour doesn't suit some members I suggest they go and find a party that does. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 10, 2024 20:31:05 GMT
Did you read it? It actually tells you that their calculations are not correct as it was made using out of date information - also it claims that there are now 1.8 million fewer jobs overall in the UK as a result of Brexit. The truth is that the number of jobs is at a record high. It looks like there are fewer workers yet more jobs, reminds me of the changes Thatcher made to counting the unemployed, fewer unemployed but more people without jobs. More magic numbers. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2024 20:32:08 GMT
you didnt. You keep waffling about devolution , which you dont understand , and devolved policy , and time and again cannot address the question at hand regarding the Labour Party in scotland being a tightly controlled accounting unit of London labour , who have no autonomy to set policy in scotland .The policy is set by the London labour leader , as numerous Scottish labour leaders have said over many years since devolution began. . You wanted devolution within the Labour Party, and as I pointed out that is just a nonsense. Brilliant. We got there in the end . so you agree with me in you above statement that labour aren't different parties , and dont have autonomy in the different nations of the uk , but are one party with keir starmer as leader? Excellent. That took a long time for you to get to see 2 didnt it? I suppose you have been too busy calling labour activists who question your dear leader knob heads , and slagging off the electorate . |
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