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Post by see2 on Jan 31, 2024 17:48:11 GMT
Your basic claim is that a Labour leader can impose whatever they want on devolved governments, and that is clearly wrong. . its not my claim. It's the then leader of labour in scotland who made the claim. (and others) They could only complain about Labour in terms of devolution if they wanted to go against the terms of devolution. Otherwise it was an internal spat within the Labour party that they moaned about. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 31, 2024 18:07:07 GMT
its not my claim. It's the then leader of labour in scotland who made the claim. (and others) They could only complain about Labour in terms of devolution if they wanted to go against the terms of devolution. Otherwise it was an internal spat within the Labour party that they moaned about. she wasn't complaining about devolution .She was complaining about lack of autonomy from London labour in what is supposed to be a devolved parliament. Obviously her party forgot to devolve authority ........ |
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Post by see2 on Jan 31, 2024 19:44:56 GMT
They could only complain about Labour in terms of devolution if they wanted to go against the terms of devolution. Otherwise it was an internal spat within the Labour party that they moaned about. she wasn't complaining about devolution .She was complaining about lack of autonomy from London labour in what is supposed to be a devolved parliament. Obviously her party forgot to devolve authority ........ You seem to be having difficulty in defining the difference between devolved areas that are the responsibility of the devolved government and being a member of the Labour party where an area of cooperation exists. The Scots do have autonomy from the UK Labour Party. As with Welsh Labour, Scottish Labour has its own general secretary which is the administrative head of the party, responsible for the day-to-day running of the organisation. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 1, 2024 7:56:32 GMT
she wasn't complaining about devolution .She was complaining about lack of autonomy from London labour in what is supposed to be a devolved parliament. Obviously her party forgot to devolve authority ........ You seem to be having difficulty in defining the difference between devolved areas that are the responsibility of the devolved government and being a member of the Labour party where an area of cooperation exists. The Scots do have autonomy from the UK Labour Party. As with Welsh Labour, Scottish Labour has its own general secretary which is the administrative head of the party, responsible for the day-to-day running of the organisation. im not. The Scottish branch manager (among many others) famously made that point , that despite areas being devolved in scotland , which she should be in charge of, devolved policy wasn't made by her , it was made by London labour , and only implemented by her. not according to John Lamont , Wendy Alexander , kezia dug dale and many more. Labour is one party , but if you believe it isn't , then prove it. policy in the party is set from London . |
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Post by see2 on Feb 1, 2024 8:45:32 GMT
You seem to be having difficulty in defining the difference between devolved areas that are the responsibility of the devolved government and being a member of the Labour party where an area of cooperation exists. The Scots do have autonomy from the UK Labour Party. As with Welsh Labour, Scottish Labour has its own general secretary which is the administrative head of the party, responsible for the day-to-day running of the organisation. im not. The Scottish branch manager (among many others) famously made that point , that despite areas being devolved in scotland , which she should be in charge of, devolved policy wasn't made by her , it was made by London labour , and only implemented by her. not according to John Lamont , Wendy Alexander , kezia dug dale and many more. Labour is one party , but if you believe it isn't , then prove it. policy in the party is set from London . Devolved policy is UK law, not Labour party Law. The Labour party have to abide by those laws, they do not have any authority to pass any laws or to alter any laws.. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 1, 2024 16:53:14 GMT
No, this never happened across Europe. It happened across the EUSSR. The two things are very different. One is a continent, the other is a dictatorship......Good for the farmers speaking the only language Brussels understands. Would Sunak and his supporting cast of wets, wimps and wankers kindly take notice lest the UK electorate follow suit..... EUSSR caves in to farmers: VICTORY for tractor protesters as Von der Leyen says Brussels will cut hated red tape 'burdens' that have pushed up prices following days of blockades across Europe. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13033827/eu-farmers-protest-tractor-brussels-victory.html |
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Post by thomas on Feb 2, 2024 8:58:07 GMT
im not. The Scottish branch manager (among many others) famously made that point , that despite areas being devolved in scotland , which she should be in charge of, devolved policy wasn't made by her , it was made by London labour , and only implemented by her. not according to John Lamont , Wendy Alexander , kezia dug dale and many more. Labour is one party , but if you believe it isn't , then prove it. policy in the party is set from London . Devolved policy is UK law, not Labour party Law. The Labour party have to abide by those laws, they do not have any authority to pass any laws or to alter any laws.. Devolved policy is uk law?. Think about the absurdity of what you have just written . There is no uk law, as there are three different laws in position , northern Irish , English and Welsh , and Scottish. There is a uk legislature , but clearly devolution means Holyrood is a Scottish legislature on devolved issues. You are waffling at this point , more than usual. Prove to me the Labour Party in scotland is a separate party from labour in England please.? According to the electoral commission , labour in scotland is an accounting unit of London labour , and by default the same party. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 2, 2024 12:56:15 GMT
Aren't we just so glad that we got out of this behemoth of the EUSSR. Fat cat politicians making on the hoof rules to justify their jobs. Belgian farmers lay siege to huge North Sea port and block Dutch border crossings while Germany grinds to a halt with crippling transport strikes as EUSSR scrambles to defuse protest chaos engulfing Europe Farmers across the continent have been protesting for weeks against grievances including taxes, rising costs, cheap imports, climate policies and bureaucracy As many as 2,000 trucks are stranded outside the Port of Zeebrugge in Bruges. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13037201/Belgian-farmers-lay-siege-huge-North-Sea-port.html |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 2, 2024 13:46:48 GMT
THE number of vehicles produced in the UK in 2023 passed the million mark for the first time this decade, according to the latest figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. Total production hit 1,025,474 units with 905,117 cars and 120,357 commercial vehicles produced - a 17 per cent increase on the previous year. The easing of pandemic-related challenges, from chip shortages to lockdowns, and increasing electrified model production, combined to drive annual output above one million for the first time since 2019. Strong December performances for both car manufacturing, up 20.7 per cent year on year, and CV volumes, up 80.3 per cent, rounded off a positive year, which saw a revival of the industry's fortunes. www.eurekar.co.uk/articles/2024-01-26/boost-for-uk-auto-productionAnother toast to Brexit Britain! |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2024 21:38:59 GMT
Excellent!
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 4, 2024 9:53:01 GMT
THE number of vehicles produced in the UK in 2023 passed the million mark for the first time this decade, according to the latest figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. Total production hit 1,025,474 units with 905,117 cars and 120,357 commercial vehicles produced - a 17 per cent increase on the previous year. The easing of pandemic-related challenges, from chip shortages to lockdowns, and increasing electrified model production, combined to drive annual output above one million for the first time since 2019. Strong December performances for both car manufacturing, up 20.7 per cent year on year, and CV volumes, up 80.3 per cent, rounded off a positive year, which saw a revival of the industry's fortunes. www.eurekar.co.uk/articles/2024-01-26/boost-for-uk-auto-productionAnother toast to Brexit Britain! Dont be silly. Prove that wouldnt have happened or even better pre Brexit. Or that this is comparatively better than other producers. Or that they were all sold. You can expect vehicle production to rise anywhere with the change in propulsion methods. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 4, 2024 10:00:49 GMT
Aren't we just so glad that we got out of this behemoth of the EUSSR. Fat cat politicians making on the hoof rules to justify their jobs. Belgian farmers lay siege to huge North Sea port and block Dutch border crossings while Germany grinds to a halt with crippling transport strikes as EUSSR scrambles to defuse protest chaos engulfing Europe Farmers across the continent have been protesting for weeks against grievances including taxes, rising costs, cheap imports, climate policies and bureaucracy As many as 2,000 trucks are stranded outside the Port of Zeebrugge in Bruges. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13037201/Belgian-farmers-lay-siege-huge-North-Sea-port.htmlThis post is a series of misrepresentations. Belgium and Holland are contiguous. Trade is by road, not sea. No EU legislation is made on the hoof. Every member nation has three votes on every proposal. The farmers' blockades are over and governments and the EU are beginning. Unlike the Uk where the entire country can go on strike and the government doesnt give a damn. Which govrrnment is more responsive to the wishes of the people? |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 4, 2024 10:03:04 GMT
THE number of vehicles produced in the UK in 2023 passed the million mark for the first time this decade, according to the latest figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. Total production hit 1,025,474 units with 905,117 cars and 120,357 commercial vehicles produced - a 17 per cent increase on the previous year. The easing of pandemic-related challenges, from chip shortages to lockdowns, and increasing electrified model production, combined to drive annual output above one million for the first time since 2019. Strong December performances for both car manufacturing, up 20.7 per cent year on year, and CV volumes, up 80.3 per cent, rounded off a positive year, which saw a revival of the industry's fortunes. www.eurekar.co.uk/articles/2024-01-26/boost-for-uk-auto-productionAnother toast to Brexit Britain! Dont be silly. Prove that wouldnt have happened or even better pre Brexit. Or that this is comparatively better than other producers. Or that they were all sold. You can expect vehicle production to rise anywhere with the change in propulsion methods. It's not silliness. It's fact. Let's toast this good news, rather than trying to pooh pooh it all the time. Oh, that's right, it grates people like you to see Britain flourishing outside the EU. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 6, 2024 17:12:07 GMT
Devolved policy is UK law, not Labour party Law. The Labour party have to abide by those laws, they do not have any authority to pass any laws or to alter any laws.. Devolved policy is uk law?. Think about the absurdity of what you have just written . There is no uk law, as there are three different laws in position , northern Irish , English and Welsh , and Scottish. There is a uk legislature , but clearly devolution means Holyrood is a Scottish legislature on devolved issues. You are waffling at this point , more than usual. Prove to me the Labour Party in scotland is a separate party from labour in England please.? According to the electoral commission , labour in scotland is an accounting unit of London labour , and by default the same party. Devolution. "Devolution is about how parliaments and governments make decisions. In the UK it means that there are separate legislatures and executives in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. How does it work? Across the UK there are four different legislatures and executives, each with a different range of powers. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 6, 2024 17:13:40 GMT
Devolved policy is uk law?. Think about the absurdity of what you have just written . There is no uk law, as there are three different laws in position , northern Irish , English and Welsh , and Scottish. There is a uk legislature , but clearly devolution means Holyrood is a Scottish legislature on devolved issues. You are waffling at this point , more than usual. Prove to me the Labour Party in scotland is a separate party from labour in England please.? According to the electoral commission , labour in scotland is an accounting unit of London labour , and by default the same party. Devolution. "Devolution is about how parliaments and governments make decisions. In the UK it means that there are separate legislatures and executives in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. How does it work? Across the UK there are four different legislatures and executives, each with a different range of powers.We know this. Whats this got to do with the discussion that labour in scotland have no autonomy? Labour can sit in as many different legislatures as they like , its still the same party under the London leader. |
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