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Post by zanygame on Jan 7, 2024 13:35:47 GMT
Revisited? The numbers speak for themselves. Have you got any that support the view that Brexit has improved things economically. Or any examples of how leaving has improved Immigration. EU Laws we didn't want rescinded. Etc Higher growth than Germany, France, Italy and Spain since Brexit. The OECD will give you all the information you need. Why is this not improvement? www.gov.uk/government/news/british-alcohol-and-chocolate-companies-in-high-spirits-after-cptpp-sales-soarThe numbers you speak of where are you plucking these from, this time? Your figures are just for Chocolate Whiskey and other luxury goods. Feel free to challenge my figures. I checked on two separate sites this time, but happy to be corrected. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 14:43:48 GMT
Most of the undecided voters - who will ultimately decide the outcome of the next election - have turned decisively against Brexit.... www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/million-undecided-voters-critical-brexit-31823057The tide is turning, substantially helped as it was always going to be, by the elderly voters who most solidly backed it, dying of old age with every passing year. Brutal but predictable fact. Rejoining might not yet be on the agenda, but closer ties with the EU is rapidly morphing into a vote winner. We'll be back in within 20 years and probably less. Most of the strongest supporters of Brexit will be dead by then (as sadly probably will I). |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 7, 2024 15:51:12 GMT
The UK doesn't produce any whiskey at all. Just ask the Scots. And btw, follow the export stats more closely.
In 2022 we exported £340 billion to the EU.
If in 2023 there was a drop, there was a recession in the Eurozone. It stands to reason that the Eurozone recession will have impacted us, so examine the statistics.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 7, 2024 16:01:40 GMT
The UK doesn't produce any whiskey at all. Just ask the Scots. And btw, follow the export stats more closely. In 2022 we exported £340 billion to the EU. If in 2023 there was a drop, there was a recession in the Eurozone. It stands to reason that the Eurozone recession will have impacted us, so examine the statistics. What was out trade deficit in 2015. What is it now Vinny. Comparing two years both long after Brexit is meaningless. From Buccaneer's link Sales of British festive treats including chocolate, gin, whisky and sparkling wine to CPTPP countries are up significantly this year |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 7, 2024 16:10:09 GMT
The UK doesn't produce any whiskey at all. Just ask the Scots. And btw, follow the export stats more closely. In 2022 we exported £340 billion to the EU. If in 2023 there was a drop, there was a recession in the Eurozone. It stands to reason that the Eurozone recession will have impacted us, so examine the statistics. What was out trade deficit in 2015. What is it now Vinny. Comparing two years both long after Brexit is meaningless. From Buccaneer's link Sales of British festive treats including chocolate, gin, whisky and sparkling wine to CPTPP countries are up significantly this year The trade deficit has halved, the amount of exports we sell to the rest of the world has gone up as well. Be grateful. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 7, 2024 16:18:35 GMT
What was out trade deficit in 2015. What is it now Vinny. Comparing two years both long after Brexit is meaningless. From Buccaneer's link Sales of British festive treats including chocolate, gin, whisky and sparkling wine to CPTPP countries are up significantly this year The trade deficit has halved, the amount of exports we sell to the rest of the world has gone up as well. Be grateful. Show us your figures Vinny. Making them up is not the same. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 7, 2024 16:48:11 GMT
Never mind the polls, exports are up and the trade deficit is down. What exactly are you unhappy about? That the country is run by corrupt morons, the economy tanking. And that the good news is that the UK is catching up with Germany because they are in a recession. The UK trade deficit in 2015 was £34.7Bn In 2022 it was £67.0Bn. So its better is a relative term. Better than what? The catastrophe after Brexit?
What catastrophe? |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 7, 2024 16:53:06 GMT
That the country is run by corrupt morons, the economy tanking. And that the good news is that the UK is catching up with Germany because they are in a recession. The UK trade deficit in 2015 was £34.7Bn In 2022 it was £67.0Bn. So its better is a relative term. Better than what? The catastrophe after Brexit?
What catastrophe? The one we currently live in. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 7, 2024 17:01:49 GMT
The one we currently live in. Well the Balance of Trade seems a rather odd way to measure it. Historically our balance of trade hasn't changed much since around 2003 - in recent years due to Covid and Ukraine it has become more volatile but the underlying trend has not really changed. So in Balance of Trade terms, Brexit was a non event and far from a catastrophe. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 7, 2024 17:43:33 GMT
But Vinny's trying to portray it (the supposedly much improved trade balance) as a total triumph entirely down to the UK leaving the EU. What's more he's trying to do it without showing any proof.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 7, 2024 17:58:07 GMT
The one we currently live in. Well the Balance of Trade seems a rather odd way to measure it. Historically our balance of trade hasn't changed much since around 2003 - in recent years due to Covid and Ukraine it has become more volatile but the underlying trend has not really changed. So in Balance of Trade terms, Brexit was a non event and far from a catastrophe. Free from the trade restraints put on us by the unelected bureaucrats of the EU, the best you can say is our balance of trade hasn't changed much. But it has its got worse rather than better. The deficit has grown from £34Bn to £67Bn. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 7, 2024 18:02:12 GMT
Well the Balance of Trade seems a rather odd way to measure it. Historically our balance of trade hasn't changed much since around 2003 - in recent years due to Covid and Ukraine it has become more volatile but the underlying trend has not really changed. So in Balance of Trade terms, Brexit was a non event and far from a catastrophe. Free from the trade restraints put on us by the unelected bureaucrats of the EU, the best you can say is our balance of trade hasn't changed much. But it has its got worse rather than better. The deficit has grown from £34Bn to £67Bn. I think you are getting a bit confused and only looking at goods rather than the complete trading environment. In the third quarter of 2023, the United Kingdom had a trade deficit of 4.5 billion British pounds, due to a 42.7 billion pound deficit in goods trade offset by a 38 billion pound trade surplus in services. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 7, 2024 18:21:42 GMT
What we need to see is a year-by-year figure for the UK trade balance for both goods and services expressed in 2015 sterling value, and if possible given separately for the EU and RoW.
Then we might be able to have an intelligent discussion on the topic.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 7, 2024 18:55:41 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Jan 7, 2024 18:59:51 GMT
Free from the trade restraints put on us by the unelected bureaucrats of the EU, the best you can say is our balance of trade hasn't changed much. But it has its got worse rather than better. The deficit has grown from £34Bn to £67Bn. I think you are getting a bit confused and only looking at goods rather than the complete trading environment. In the third quarter of 2023, the United Kingdom had a trade deficit of 4.5 billion British pounds, due to a 42.7 billion pound deficit in goods trade offset by a 38 billion pound trade surplus in services. I compared like with like. The idea was that having escaped the EU we would build trade deals with the U.S and a dozen other countries. Nothing to do with the already buoyant service industry. |
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