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Post by Bentley on Nov 29, 2022 20:36:20 GMT
Your post doesn't make much sense, I think the problem is that your bias has overwhelmed your logic. Have you not noticed he's lost and reset? All you need to do is provide a link back to the start. 😉 I’ve noticed that you lost the argument. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 29, 2022 20:40:06 GMT
Have you not noticed he's lost and reset? All you need to do is provide a link back to the start. 😉 I’ve noticed that you lost the argument. I noticed you stopped answering and started from scratch again. I'll let other posters decide what that means. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 29, 2022 20:40:47 GMT
I note you avoided the question. So how would you address "that" problem? I note that you avoided the answer . If it’s beyond the wit of man to find a solution to discrimination by rooting it out and correcting it then we will be damned to no solution at all. Discrimination against one group to solve discrimination by another is not a solution. So a group that is discriminated against should just suck it up? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 29, 2022 20:42:41 GMT
I’ve noticed that you lost the argument. I noticed you stopped answering and started from scratch again. I'll let other posters decide what that means. I’ll let the other posters decide whether you are a sore loser who is trying to save face by false representation. My stance that discrimination against white peoples is not only NOT the answer to discrimination against black people but racist in itself, has not change or faltered . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 29, 2022 20:45:11 GMT
I note that you avoided the answer . If it’s beyond the wit of man to find a solution to discrimination by rooting it out and correcting it then we will be damned to no solution at all. Discrimination against one group to solve discrimination by another is not a solution. So a group that is discriminated against should just suck it up? You don’t seem to be bright enough to understand a simple point .( just using your debate technique).. Discrimination should be solved by addressing the discrimination…..have a think …..ready? …..NOT by actively discriminating against another group. I can’t make it any easier. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2022 21:07:21 GMT
?? Is the premier league not over 40% BAME and where was the previous apparently posted racism? I have no idea what "previously apparently posted racism" you are referring to. You're talking footballers on the one hand while the debate is about police recruits on the other. Football players of all colour are selected on their ability. If you have no idea why say it? The debate is about woke and its effect on such things as police recruitment. How do you know footballers are selected on their ability and that the police are not. What evidence have you that brings you to that conclusion. The point I replied to was that we needed to address situations where proportionality of representation with a given area of expertise was widely askew of the community representation. All I asked was why? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2022 21:13:33 GMT
Huh? So if you have had a tenner stolen off you it is just fine and dandy to steal a fiver off someone else to lessen your loss making your second theft a benefit. Your comment is completely out of context, so your reply only makes any sense if you are acting the fool. In context you are supporting an act (racial discrimination) against an innocent individual because other innocent individuals were racially discriminated against in the past. In the wider context it is committing a crime against an innocent individual to mitigate the effects of crimes against other individuals. That is in plain terms what you are supporting, unless of course you believe that the white individual so discriminated against is not innocent and that raises many questions. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2022 21:17:24 GMT
Why do you need to address that? The premier league is about 40% BAME players do we need to address that or do the supporters not worry about to whom they give their support. Do we need to get fairer in football? Because football has little effect on how people live, and football does not have a recent history of favouring people for their skin colour. They cleaned up their game and can now promote purely on quality. You'd have thought the latest damning report on the London fire brigade might give you pause for thought. For many people football is life, and football certainly does have a history of discrimination. How do you know they are promoting only on quality what drives you to that conclusion? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2022 21:21:05 GMT
Apparently they cannot find the equally qualified BAME candidates even when making special efforts so perhaps to have police we take those available and are qualified and not worry about proportionality. The problem was apparently exposed by capable and qualified BAME applicants being denied access to the force. Have you a link to that please? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 29, 2022 21:23:08 GMT
Because football has little effect on how people live, and football does not have a recent history of favouring people for their skin colour. They cleaned up their game and can now promote purely on quality. You'd have thought the latest damning report on the London fire brigade might give you pause for thought. For many people football is life, and football certainly does have a history of discrimination. How do you know they are promoting only on quality what drives you to that conclusion? Is anyone claiming managers are anti white? |
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Post by Orac on Nov 29, 2022 21:28:37 GMT
It's amazing how candid some of this is - some people in the thread literally have a Nazi-like historic race theory and feel justified dishing out race punishments and correction. It's quite astonishing what this thread is revealing
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Post by Bentley on Nov 29, 2022 21:36:01 GMT
It's amazing how candid some of this is - some people in the thread literally have a Nazi-like historic race theory and feel justified dishing out race punishments and correction. It's quite astonishing what this thread is revealing I noticed that . |
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Post by Steve on Nov 29, 2022 21:39:08 GMT
It's amazing how candid some of this is - some people in the thread literally have a Nazi-like historic race theory and feel justified dishing out race punishments and correction. It's quite astonishing what this thread is revealing In your imagination? Go on show us some examples of this supposed Nazi like race theory posting. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2022 21:40:16 GMT
For many people football is life, and football certainly does have a history of discrimination. How do you know they are promoting only on quality what drives you to that conclusion? Is anyone claiming managers are anti white? They may be who knows. What is clear is the disparity in proportional representation. Why would you only wish to see that as a matter of necessity only addressed in the police service. Why would it be important only in the police service. Black players play mainly for white supporters, why should white police officers not serve any community, in teh main white people accept black officers, black MPs, BAME in high government positions affecting us all. What is the problem |
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Post by Steve on Nov 29, 2022 21:44:35 GMT
Is anyone claiming managers are anti white? They may be who knows. What is clear is the disparity in proportional representation. Why would you only wish to see that as a matter of necessity only addressed in the police service. Why would it be important only in the police service. Black players play mainly for white supporters, why should white police officers not serve any community, in teh main white people accept black officers, black MPs, BAME in high government positions affecting us all. What is the problem It's an issue in any public facing role especially the police because it is important for everyone to have faith in the police and of course all white sports teams, broadcasters etc communicates to much that's not good - to all ethnicities. But as said before so called positive discrimination is mostly dealing with symptoms while letting root causes fester. Ultimately that can be very self defeating. |
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