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Post by zanygame on Nov 29, 2022 21:57:21 GMT
It's amazing how candid some of this is - some people in the thread literally have a Nazi-like historic race theory and feel justified dishing out race punishments and correction. It's quite astonishing what this thread is revealing Oh go away. Where are the camps, the stealing of peoples homes and possessions. How dare you compare this to Nazism. Yuk, shame on you. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2022 22:02:02 GMT
They may be who knows. What is clear is the disparity in proportional representation. Why would you only wish to see that as a matter of necessity only addressed in the police service. Why would it be important only in the police service. Black players play mainly for white supporters, why should white police officers not serve any community, in teh main white people accept black officers, black MPs, BAME in high government positions affecting us all. What is the problem It's an issue in any public facing role especially the police because it is important for everyone to have faith in the police and of course all white sports teams, broadcasters etc communicates to much that's not good - to all ethnicities. But as said before so called positive discrimination is mostly dealing with symptoms while letting root causes fester. Ultimately that can be very self defeating. Well that begs the question why does confidence in any group require the same level of representation of ethnicity. It is probably a bad example in terms of confidence but currently we accept the Tory government despite three of the four great offices of state being filled by BAME people which is a significant over representation but in the main the white population accept it without demur. You cannot get much more public facing than those. What is communicated by all white groups that is not good? |
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Post by Steve on Nov 29, 2022 23:04:00 GMT
It's an issue in any public facing role especially the police because it is important for everyone to have faith in the police and of course all white sports teams, broadcasters etc communicates to much that's not good - to all ethnicities. But as said before so called positive discrimination is mostly dealing with symptoms while letting root causes fester. Ultimately that can be very self defeating. Well that begs the question why does confidence in any group require the same level of representation of ethnicity. It is probably a bad example in terms of confidence but currently we accept the Tory government despite three of the four great offices of state being filled by BAME people which is a significant over representation but in the main the white population accept it without demur. You cannot get much more public facing than those. What is communicated by all white groups that is not good? Do you really need to ask that? Really? Imagine a UK where all the broadcasters were black, all the police were black, all the judges were black, all the politicians were black and all the teachers were black. Wouldn't that give you as a white person the message that you will never be allowed a fair break? Now reverse the colours, it ain't rocket science. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 30, 2022 8:21:40 GMT
It's amazing how candid some of this is - some people in the thread literally have a Nazi-like historic race theory and feel justified dishing out race punishments and correction. It's quite astonishing what this thread is revealing Oh go away. Where are the camps, the stealing of peoples homes and possessions. How dare you compare this to Nazism. Yuk, shame on you. I'm talking about your 'historic crimes of white people' social theory You aren't behaving as badly as the Nazis (so far, that is) - but you have quite similar social theories. Btw - i'm not attempting here to convince you that you are bad a person. You have been conned. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 30, 2022 8:41:14 GMT
Imagine a UK where all the broadcasters were black, all the police were black, all the judges were black, all the politicians were black and all the teachers were black. This technique is called 'presenting a problem that can't sensibly be solved while you and your society are still allowed' Another example of similar - "All the time you are living in your house, you are blocking the building of our house. You need to demolish your house so we can build ours where yours is"If living with white people is such a large issue for many black people, you would have thought this would have been raised around the time the proposal to move millions of black into the uk was formed. Did nobody notice there were white people already living in the UK? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 30, 2022 8:51:12 GMT
Oh go away. Where are the camps, the stealing of peoples homes and possessions. How dare you compare this to Nazism. Yuk, shame on you. I'm talking about your 'historic crimes of white people' social theory You aren't behaving as badly as the Nazis (so far, that is) - but you have quite similar social theories. Btw - i'm not attempting here to convince you that you are bad a person. You have been conned. Nope. YUK. Go away. Gently favouring one group to address failings of the past can NOT be compared to Nazism. To try and link the two is disgusting. I did warn you. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 30, 2022 9:00:32 GMT
Nope. YUK. Go away. Gently favouring one group to address failings of the past can NOT be compared to Nazism. There are some Nazis who don't believe or support in the whole camp thing, they just feel there should be official racial discrimination targeted at Jewish people to make sure their position in society is (in their terms) 'appropriate' Isn't the above outlined position exactly mirrored by your stance re white people? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 30, 2022 9:03:11 GMT
Nope. YUK. Go away. Gently favouring one group to address failings of the past can NOT be compared to Nazism. There are some Nazis who don't believe or support in the whole camp thing, they just feel there should be official racial discrimination targeted at Jewish people to make sure their position in society is (in their terms) 'appropriate' Isn't the above outlined position exactly mirrored by your stance re white people? Those Nazis are not the Nazis people think of. GO AWAY. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 30, 2022 9:05:31 GMT
Fair enough - i should use the term 'neo national socialists' or anti Semites or something. But the broader point about your position still stands.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 30, 2022 9:19:39 GMT
Well that begs the question why does confidence in any group require the same level of representation of ethnicity. It is probably a bad example in terms of confidence but currently we accept the Tory government despite three of the four great offices of state being filled by BAME people which is a significant over representation but in the main the white population accept it without demur. You cannot get much more public facing than those. What is communicated by all white groups that is not good? Do you really need to ask that? Really? Imagine a UK where all the broadcasters were black, all the police were black, all the judges were black, all the politicians were black and all the teachers were black. Wouldn't that give you as a white person the message that you will never be allowed a fair break? Now reverse the colours, it ain't rocket science. Well yes I do need to ask largely becasue we have never been in the position you are suggesting even when the BAME population was miniscule. And what is a fair break and why if there was such a problem would government after government, until Blair opened the floodgates, allowed a situation like that to develop when many were directly opposed as they could see what would develop. Mags has highlighted the next point. If a 'fair break' was so obviously lacking why are BAME people still clamouring and falling over themselevs to get here by any means as they have been doing for 70 years? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 30, 2022 9:27:07 GMT
I'm talking about your 'historic crimes of white people' social theory You aren't behaving as badly as the Nazis (so far, that is) - but you have quite similar social theories. Btw - i'm not attempting here to convince you that you are bad a person. You have been conned. Nope. YUK. Go away. Gently favouring one group to address failings of the past can NOT be compared to Nazism. To try and link the two is disgusting. I did warn you. Human rights declaration is supposed to protect us all as individuals from the excesses and discrimination by governments. It is a government that has signed up to those rights not each individual. The government can create legislation to protect the rights of individuals but it is not supposed to enact laws that disadvantage an individual based solely on their ethnicity. That is exactly what positive action does. All bad things start with the separation and different treatment, by government, of different groups. It started with positive action, it moves to Critical Race theory with its views on white fragility, white guilt and white society. Once you put race as a place that is special in law it is potentially a slippery slope. That seems obvious. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 30, 2022 9:37:58 GMT
Do you really need to ask that? Really? Imagine a UK where all the broadcasters were black, all the police were black, all the judges were black, all the politicians were black and all the teachers were black. Wouldn't that give you as a white person the message that you will never be allowed a fair break? Now reverse the colours, it ain't rocket science. Well yes I do need to ask largely becasue we have never been in the position you are suggesting even when the BAME population was miniscule. And what is a fair break and why if there was such a problem would government after government, until Blair opened the floodgates, allowed a situation like that to develop when many were directly opposed as they could see what would develop. Mags has highlighted the next point. If a 'fair break' was so obviously lacking why are BAME people still clamouring and falling over themselevs to get here by any means as they have been doing for 70 years? Never in that position? Well (a) that's to miss the point and (b) I suggest you're wrong |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 30, 2022 9:47:47 GMT
Well yes I do need to ask largely becasue we have never been in the position you are suggesting even when the BAME population was miniscule. And what is a fair break and why if there was such a problem would government after government, until Blair opened the floodgates, allowed a situation like that to develop when many were directly opposed as they could see what would develop. Mags has highlighted the next point. If a 'fair break' was so obviously lacking why are BAME people still clamouring and falling over themselevs to get here by any means as they have been doing for 70 years? Never in that position? Well (a) that's to miss the point and (b) I suggest you're wrong When were we in the position when not a black face was seen in the public sphere? |
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Post by Steve on Nov 30, 2022 9:50:08 GMT
I didn't say 'public sphere' I listed the roles that project society and establishment and I reckon 1960 would fit. But I repeat, that is to miss the point.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 30, 2022 9:59:20 GMT
I didn't say 'public sphere' I listed the roles that project society and establishment and I reckon 1960 would fit. But I repeat, that is to miss the poin |
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