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Post by Toreador on Nov 10, 2022 20:45:43 GMT
Word meanings change. We can never win back gay as a descriptive word of a type of beauty, type of dress or a feeling. It has been lost becaseu some used it to describe something. Woke is changing before our eyes and the original meaning has been lost as it now embodies a description of something that is not at all involved with injustice and anti racism. It looks more like a foolish set of beliefs and attitudes and that is starting to stick. No. Woke is being used to insult decent people. If the nasty right-wingers get their own way and their distortions are recorded as being the true meaning of the word, then shame on you and every other mindless individual who has helped poison the use of an honest and decent word. You and others need to learn to attack the OTT actions of certain individuals and stop using woke as a broad brush using it against anything right-wingers disagree with. Right-wingers appear to be mostly sick and nasty. Remember "The Wets" ? One description would be "Rabble without a cause".
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 21:07:58 GMT
No. Woke is being used to insult decent people. If the nasty right-wingers get their own way and their distortions are recorded as being the true meaning of the word, then shame on you and every other mindless individual who has helped poison the use of an honest and decent word. You and others need to learn to attack the OTT actions of certain individuals and stop using woke as a broad brush using it against anything right-wingers disagree with. Right-wingers appear to be mostly sick and nasty. Remember "The Wets" ? One description would be "Rabble without a cause". "Would", could or might be used
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 21:18:58 GMT
Word meanings change. We can never win back gay as a descriptive word of a type of beauty, type of dress or a feeling. It has been lost becaseu some used it to describe something. Woke is changing before our eyes and the original meaning has been lost as it now embodies a description of something that is not at all involved with injustice and anti racism. It looks more like a foolish set of beliefs and attitudes and that is starting to stick. Yes, and once upon a time it may have just meant to remain aware. Today it's just another Communist hijacked thing that has taken over academia, and went around spreading critical race theory whilst pointing the finger at western civilisation and calling it racist. It's odd that the term is considered offensive to some people, like relying on made up stuff to call something racist is not.
Yes, until relatively recently it meant to be aware, until right-wingers incorrectly used it and have got used to using it as a broad-brush way of insulting anything they dislike. That you apparently manage to blame Communism for this right-wing corruption is a bit of a mystery, can you explain?
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 21:27:38 GMT
Yes, but I would hold a civilised conversation with them. Most of those who are 'woke' would not hold a civilised conversation and in fact want to stop the aforementioned person having a conversation with anyone as that conversation may hurt the feelings of others. (Edit I refer you the answer above by see2 as an example of how the feelings of others is of limited consequence.) You are using --- your definition --- of the term Woke. Showing that you are still refusing to face up to the way the word has been corrupted.
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 21:55:21 GMT
"IF" After that you lost your way. I didn’t . You can’t refute it and found a way not to try . Now read it slowly and try a bit harder . You posted __" If lefties are over sensitive towards other points of view and consider themselves woke then why not define woke as being an over sensitive leftie or leftie over sensitive point of view?"__ I think a little explanation is required. The term 'Leftie' is far too often loosely and derogatively used apparently by right-wingers, without evidence, when attacking points of view they disagree with. Why would anyone, let alone people making left of centre comments think they were Woke? Especially when the term is used in a broad-brush way of insulting anything the right disagrees with. The term Leftie and the term Woke are repeatedly misused
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 22:06:16 GMT
No. Woke is being used to insult decent people. If the nasty right-wingers get their own way and their distortions are recorded as being the true meaning of the word, then shame on you and every other mindless individual who has helped poison the use of an honest and decent word. You and others need to learn to attack the OTT actions of certain individuals and stop using woke as a broad brush using it against anything right-wingers disagree with. Right-wingers appear to be mostly sick and nasty. Remember "The Wets" ? Actual right wing individuals tend to dislike identity politics (divisive group collectivism). Those people from all backgrounds in right wing parties usually distance themselves from it. If you are suggesting that Right-Wingers don't like to acknowledge their extreme position in politics I would agree, I think some don't even recognise just how far to the right they are. Right wingers, like left wingers are naturally divisive. If you were on the last Forum, and still to some extent on this forum, you will become aware of how right-wingers often, perhaps unwittingly, expose their extremism.
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 10, 2022 22:12:35 GMT
Almost all dictionaries describe "Woke" as "alert to injustice and discrimination within society, particularly racism" <---- Or words to this effect. The right wing populists obviously attach their own alternative / made-up meaning to the word, suggesting that it means "over-sensetivity" or similar, which is a falsehood and completely untrue. Alternatively, it suggests the woke snowflakes control the dictionaries as well as the mainstream media.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 10, 2022 22:14:51 GMT
Most of those who are 'woke' would not hold a civilised conversation and in fact want to stop the aforementioned person having a conversation with anyone as that conversation may hurt the feelings of others. (Edit I refer you the answer above by see2 as an example of how the feelings of others is of limited consequence.) You are using --- your definition --- of the term Woke. Showing that you are still refusing to face up to the way the word has been corrupted. Well considering that the Left has been calling everyone who is slightly to the right of Corbyn a 'fascist' for years - I would suggest you doth protest too much.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 10, 2022 22:15:58 GMT
Actual right wing individuals tend to dislike identity politics (divisive group collectivism). Those people from all backgrounds in right wing parties usually distance themselves from it. If you are suggesting that Right-Wingers don't like to acknowledge their extreme position in politics I would agree, I think some don't even recognise just how far to the right they are. right-wing is fairly mainstream - that is why they keep winning elections.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2022 22:32:40 GMT
If you are suggesting that Right-Wingers don't like to acknowledge their extreme position in politics I would agree, I think some don't even recognise just how far to the right they are. right-wing is fairly mainstream - that is why they keep winning elections. Correct, the majority are fairly right wing, or centre right. Thing is, they don't have a right wing or centre right party to vote for. The conservative party have been centrist since at least 2010. And that's dangerous because a right wing party will appear, just as UKIP did.
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 22:58:23 GMT
You are using --- your definition --- of the term Woke. Showing that you are still refusing to face up to the way the word has been corrupted. Well considering that the Left has been calling everyone who is slightly to the right of Corbyn a 'fascist' for years - I would suggest you doth protest too much. An exaggeration as usual ^^ but one that alters nothing.
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Post by dappy on Nov 10, 2022 22:59:17 GMT
Well if the Conservatives are not right wing enough for “the majority”, they have a choice of Reform, Reclaim, UKIP, Heritage, SDP, Britain First, For Britain, BNP (still going), CPA, English Democrats, Peoples Front for Jarrow and the Jarrow Peoples Front. How many more parties do they need? Odd that with so many choices meeting their needs , so few of the majority vote for any of them.
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2022 23:06:18 GMT
If you are suggesting that Right-Wingers don't like to acknowledge their extreme position in politics I would agree, I think some don't even recognise just how far to the right they are. right-wing is fairly mainstream - Yes, proving just how effective their propaganda is, and how easily the electorate is misled. 11 years of Thatcherism ring a bell? It is the stumbling block that allows Tory mismanagement to flourish. IMO the media needs to grow up and take all politicians to task on their knowledge and their policies. Instead of pursuing this left verses right nonsense.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 10, 2022 23:11:34 GMT
Almost all dictionaries describe "Woke" as "alert to injustice and discrimination within society, particularly racism" <---- Or words to this effect. The right wing populists obviously attach their own alternative / made-up meaning to the word, suggesting that it means "over-sensetivity" or similar, which is a falsehood and completely untrue. Not this one:
Clearly it is not a proper word in the sense we are discussing it.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 10, 2022 23:18:20 GMT
Well if the Conservatives are not right wing enough for “the majority”, they have a choice of Reform, Reclaim, UKIP, Heritage, SDP, Britain First, For Britain, BNP (still going), CPA, English Democrats, Peoples Front for Jarrow and the Jarrow Peoples Front. How many more parties do they need? Odd that with so many choices meeting their needs , so few of the majority vote for any of them. Broadly I agree however there are some mitigating factors such as the MSM, the law and the establishment tend to gang up on any that start to appear successful. I would have expected to see the BNP probably self destruct from their own problems as regards policies and infighting. However we know that was not the case, their MEPs were physically attacked with darts, reports were issued that were blatant falsehoods attempting to discredit BNP polices and a concerted effort was made to destroy them in the courts through membership restrictions. (restrictions largely identical to the Black Police Association at the time which restricted voting rights for white members and which as far as I am aware has not been changed). It is also telling that the BBC reported two BNP members who highlighted the activities of Muslim rape gangs back in 2004. The BBC ignored the fact young girls were being raped.
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