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Post by Bentley on Nov 21, 2022 17:22:30 GMT
So could you give some examples of what you think it means now? Is it simply any centre-left, socially liberal views or does it have a different meaning in your view. It doesnt really matter but I am intrigued whether I am "woke"! It obvious has different meanings to different people . If you are a condescending leftie who believes “ If I think it then it must be true” then it means that you are aware of social injustice. If you are a grown up then it means a self deluded individual who thrives on virtue signalling and windmill tilting . |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 21, 2022 17:29:21 GMT
But it's never right to deliberate use a perverted definition of a word for dishonest effect Of course it is Comedians do it all the time. I recall Brexit was used as a laugh catching word for sympathetic audiences and wordplay is a very common means of creating giggles especially those double entendres. Allo Allo thrived on it 'You have caught us doing the screwing' or something like that. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 21, 2022 17:39:51 GMT
But it's never right to deliberate use a perverted definition of a word for dishonest effect Of course it is Comedians do it all the time. I recall Brexit was used as a laugh catching word for sympathetic audiences and wordplay is a very common means of creating giggles especially those double entendres. Allo Allo thrived on it 'You have caught us doing the screwing' or something like that. So I really need to explain 'for dishonest effect' in simpler terms for you? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 21, 2022 18:07:32 GMT
Of course it is Comedians do it all the time. I recall Brexit was used as a laugh catching word for sympathetic audiences and wordplay is a very common means of creating giggles especially those double entendres. Allo Allo thrived on it 'You have caught us doing the screwing' or something like that. So I really need to explain 'for dishonest effect' in simpler terms for you? No but then again that is opinion as regards what is dishonest. For some it is an honest appraisal of the word that should be held up to ridicule. That also happens all the time. People are slightly misquoted frequently for the dishonest effect that produces in what they say. The prime examples are Jeremy Corbyn, Nick Griffin, Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 21, 2022 18:21:49 GMT
So I really need to explain 'for dishonest effect' in simpler terms for you? No but then again that is opinion as regards what is dishonest. For some it is an honest appraisal of the word that should be held up to ridicule. That also happens all the time. People are slightly misquoted frequently for the dishonest effect that produces in what they say. The prime examples are Jeremy Corbyn, Nick Griffin, Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. It's a deliberate perversion of the accepted use of the term in order to attack the many by pretending they are as guilty as a few niche nutters whose extreme views they do not share. As I said, the same tactic could just as easily be used to imply all Brexit supporters (or BNP members) were child abusers because some were. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 21, 2022 18:38:27 GMT
No but then again that is opinion as regards what is dishonest. For some it is an honest appraisal of the word that should be held up to ridicule. That also happens all the time. People are slightly misquoted frequently for the dishonest effect that produces in what they say. The prime examples are Jeremy Corbyn, Nick Griffin, Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. It's a deliberate perversion of the accepted use of the term in order to attack the many by pretending they are as guilty as a few niche nutters whose extreme views they do not share. As I said, the same tactic could just as easily be used to imply all Brexit supporters (or BNP members) were child abusers because some were. It only came into being as a word with a distinct meaning for about ten years or so, words change. We lost gay many years ago yet it was popular word with the Romantics but it was taken over and in older poetry it looks a bit incongruous now. This is what happens. I recall Mz Abbott strongly implying that Brexiteers in the main were racist. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 21, 2022 19:17:47 GMT
Yes words do change but that one hasn't yet as any child that can read a dictionary would be able to tell you
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Post by sandypine on Nov 21, 2022 19:45:04 GMT
Yes words do change but that one hasn't yet as any child that can read a dictionary would be able to tell you Is that not the point that a dictionary only gives the current usage and teh act of changing current usage is using it in a different way. I am sure for many years gay was only a description of a demeanour or a colourful appearance and it was many years of regular use before it appeared as a description of sexual orientation. It may be that 'woke' will at some time be officially approved for use in the dictionary as a term of abuse. But who knows but that is most certainly how words do change |
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Post by see2 on Nov 21, 2022 21:19:21 GMT
While "self righteous" deluded Righties introduced the misuse of the word as a way of insulting just about anyone, not just lefties, who disagrees with them. No , I think you are wrong there but let’s face it , you usually are. It's just as well that I ignore the implications that come with your opinions. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 21, 2022 21:24:25 GMT
No , I think you are wrong there but let’s face it , you usually are. It's just as well that I ignore the implications that come with your opinions. For you it is ,old chappie. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 21, 2022 21:33:46 GMT
I don’t see as much whining from the “grown ups “( which should be the new description for people with more conservative political views ) about the use of the word “ Gammon “ describing white ( alleged) right wingers as I do for Lefties becoming triggered by others not conforming to their demands that ‘ woke’ should mean whatever their dictionary says it does. Lefties is a broad brush approach to an area of divided opinion, so the continuous connection with woke to all on the Left is just Righty winging. As too is the overuse of the Urban/slang use of Woke. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 21, 2022 21:36:41 GMT
It's just as well that I ignore the implications that come with your opinions. For you it is ,old chappie. "OLd chappie", at least I've made, with your Rightist attitude there might be a question mark about whether or not you will make it  |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 21, 2022 22:30:08 GMT
For you it is ,old chappie. "OLd chappie", at least I've made, with your Rightist attitude there might be a question mark about whether or not you will make it Don’t be chippy, chappie. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 21, 2022 23:15:22 GMT
Yes words do change but that one hasn't yet as any child that can read a dictionary would be able to tell you Is that not the point that a dictionary only gives the current usage and teh act of changing current usage is using it in a different way. I am sure for many years gay was only a description of a demeanour or a colourful appearance and it was many years of regular use before it appeared as a description of sexual orientation. It may be that 'woke' will at some time be officially approved for use in the dictionary as a term of abuse. But who knows but that is most certainly how words do change No the point is we have losers that can't articulate a proper argument against those whose 'caring for others you don't know' views they find evil, resorting to perverting the English language. At best they are trolls |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 21, 2022 23:29:40 GMT
Is that not the point that a dictionary only gives the current usage and teh act of changing current usage is using it in a different way. I am sure for many years gay was only a description of a demeanour or a colourful appearance and it was many years of regular use before it appeared as a description of sexual orientation. It may be that 'woke' will at some time be officially approved for use in the dictionary as a term of abuse. But who knows but that is most certainly how words do change No the point is we have losers that can't articulate a proper argument against those whose 'caring for others you don't know' views they find evil, resorting to perverting the English language. At best they are trolls No the point is that we have leftie virtue signalling losers that take themselves far too seriously. |
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