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Post by zanygame on Dec 29, 2023 16:04:50 GMT
So we sit back and let it happen? Have you considered the costs involved We cannot do anything about it as both China and India are determined to expand their carbon emissions. We have set the example and they have told us to take a hike so the costs will occur irrespective of what we do. So best to be prepared for what will happen if it is true that CO2 will lead to run away global warming. So far the evidence that the models and the predictions will come true is pretty thin on the ground. Best we stop our sackcloth and ashes approach and concentrate on the welfare of the British people. Reducing ours still has an effect. So does buying less new stuff and repairing old so China don't manufacture so much of our stuff for us. But I asked: Have any of you considered the cost of doing nothing. Especially those who say net zero is too expensive. As for sack cloth and ashes. 1, I don't see anyone in sackcloth as yet. 2, In order to know if net zero costs more you need an idea of what doing nothing costs. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 29, 2023 16:11:06 GMT
It really does not matter because if you have a free market operating then as oil and gas get used up so their price will rise, whereas green technology will fall in price as it gets developed. The market will naturally go for technologies like solar which have seen huge price reductions in the last few decades. We are past the cross-over point already. If one were to build a house in a zero subsidy, zero rule free market economy then one would design it to be a very good insulator. One would also see if passive heating could be exploited in the design of the house. It's all physics. If you want green technology I guess the best way is to become a physics teacher and compute the right answer. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2023 16:13:18 GMT
“ plan to install heat pumps in Eccles Town Hall to make it more energy efficient has been abandoned because it is too costly. And the failure of the project also means plans to install similar systems in Salford city council’s 84 other public buildings - including schools - looks to be scuppered. It was predicted by Salford city council that the total cost of the project to install air source heat pumps in the town hall would be just over £1million. But following a tender process the price of doing the work would have cost an extra £700,000, forcing town hall chiefs to scrap the idea.” Heat pump plan for town hall scrapped for being too costly www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/heat-pump-plan-town-hall-28363619 |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 29, 2023 16:13:22 GMT
It really does not matter because if you have a free market operating then as oil and gas get used up so their price will rise, whereas green technology will fall in price as it gets developed. The market will naturally go for technologies like solar which have seen huge price reductions in the last few decades. We are past the cross-over point already. If one were to build a house in a zero subsidy, zero rule free market economy then one would design it to be a very good insulator. One would also see if passive heating could be exploited in the design of the house. It's all physics. If you want green technology I guess the best way is to become a physics teacher and compute the right answer. Agreed, it just needed a push because we left dealing with AGW too late. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 29, 2023 16:16:03 GMT
“ plan to install heat pumps in Eccles Town Hall to make it more energy efficient has been abandoned because it is too costly. And the failure of the project also means plans to install similar systems in Salford city council’s 84 other public buildings - including schools - looks to be scuppered. It was predicted by Salford city council that the total cost of the project to install air source heat pumps in the town hall would be just over £1million. But following a tender process the price of doing the work would have cost an extra £700,000, forcing town hall chiefs to scrap the idea.” Heat pump plan for town hall scrapped for being too costly www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/heat-pump-plan-town-hall-28363619Our local church installed heat pumps and the cost was eye watering - in their case they got loads of grants so it didnt really cost them anything. Again - it's all down to the size of the subsidy. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 29, 2023 16:18:59 GMT
LOL the Royal society who predicted the world would end before 2020. I have just arived home from the local where I had a pint with the boys and I can assre you the world is still turning.
Royal Society accused of allowing ‘anti-scientific coal baron’ to preach benefits of global warming
Read and weep zany this is a pdf doc.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 29, 2023 16:38:36 GMT
So we sit back and let it happen? Have you considered the costs involved We cannot do anything about it as both China and India are determined to expand their carbon emissions. We have set the example and they have told us to take a hike so the costs will occur irrespective of what we do. So best to be prepared for what will happen if it is true that CO2 will lead to run away global warming. So far the evidence that the models and the predictions will come true is pretty thin on the ground. Best we stop our sackcloth and ashes approach and concentrate on the welfare of the British people. Many people are now predicting China will hit carbon neutrality first. Be careful not to underestimate them. China does not have a lot of oil and is forever in need of more energy for its factories. It has the greatest incentive to generate that energy at home, away from US military vulnerabilities. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 29, 2023 17:31:50 GMT
We cannot do anything about it as both China and India are determined to expand their carbon emissions. We have set the example and they have told us to take a hike so the costs will occur irrespective of what we do. So best to be prepared for what will happen if it is true that CO2 will lead to run away global warming. So far the evidence that the models and the predictions will come true is pretty thin on the ground. Best we stop our sackcloth and ashes approach and concentrate on the welfare of the British people. Reducing ours still has an effect. So does buying less new stuff and repairing old so China don't manufacture so much of our stuff for us. But I asked: Have any of you considered the cost of doing nothing. Especially those who say net zero is too expensive. As for sack cloth and ashes. 1, I don't see anyone in sackcloth as yet. 2, In order to know if net zero costs more you need an idea of what doing nothing costs. The cost of doing nothing was in my reply as that cost will be incurred no matter how much we do to show others how it is done. China is still manufacturing much of what we need instead of us as that helps our descent to net zero but is realistically a nonsense in terms of CO2 emissions. The evidence that CO2 is the primary cause is still pretty thin on the ground and the predictions from suspect models are rarely coming true in any size shape or form. 1 It is a metaphor, our approach is one of self abasement to achieve that which other countries are not only reluctant to achieve but also seem set on not even attempting to achieve. 2 Tell us what doing nothing will cost, tell us what doing all we can and most others carrying on as normal will cost? What will be the effect on the UK of climate change and what do we have to do to meet that challenge? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 29, 2023 17:39:49 GMT
LOL the Royal society who predicted the world would end before 2020. I have just arived home from the local where I had a pint with the boys and I can assre you the world is still turning.
Royal Society accused of allowing ‘anti-scientific coal baron’ to preach benefits of global warming
Read and weep zany this is a pdf doc.
Choose your own authors, but at least go and learn what's causing global warming so you can talk sense instead of generalised crap like this. "I have just arrived home from the local where I had a pint with the boys and I can assure you the world is still turning."Have you read the PDF in your link or did you just google, cut and paste. Do you know the date it was published even? Nope, I thought not. Just Google, Cut, Paste. How do you ever expect to form an educated opinion of your own in this way? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 29, 2023 17:46:25 GMT
SP asked: "What will be the effect on the UK of climate change and what do we have to do to meet that challenge?"
I've just been reading a very interesting Defra report on UK food security and this is presented as one of its 'key messages':
"The biggest medium to long term risk to the UK’s domestic production comes from climate change and other environmental pressures like soil degradation, water quality and biodiversity. Wheat yields dropped by 40% in 2020 due to heavy rainfall and droughts at bad times in the growing season. Although they have bounced back in 2021, this is an indicator of the effect that increasingly unreliable weather patterns may have on future production."
I'll probably start a new thread to discuss that general topic over the weekend.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 29, 2023 17:51:42 GMT
LOL the Royal society who predicted the world would end before 2020. I have just arived home from the local where I had a pint with the boys and I can assre you the world is still turning.
Royal Society accused of allowing ‘anti-scientific coal baron’ to preach benefits of global warming
Read and weep zany this is a pdf doc.
Choose your own authors, but at least go and learn what's causing global warming so you can talk sense instead of generalised crap like this. "I have just arrived home from the local where I had a pint with the boys and I can assure you the world is still turning."Have you read the PDF in your link or did you just google, cut and paste. Do you know the date it was published even? Nope, I thought not. Just Google, Cut, Paste. How do you ever expect to form an educated opinion of your own in this way? FFS zany there are always oppsing views to anything in life. Why did you link to the ones who support you? In a couple of days the BBC will air their Royal society nw year lectures and you can bet they won't be airing those from the individuals who do not fit into their own warped agenda. I am fulyl aware when it was published zany and I see you neglect as per usual to respond on the lies that the world would be dead by now. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 29, 2023 17:54:21 GMT
SP asked: "What will be the effect on the UK of climate change and what do we have to do to meet that challenge?" I've just been reading a very interesting Defra report on UK food security and this is presented as one of its 'key messages': "The biggest medium to long term risk to the UK’s domestic production comes from climate change and other environmental pressures like soil degradation, water quality and biodiversity. Wheat yields dropped by 40% in 2020 due to heavy rainfall and droughts at bad times in the growing season. Although they have bounced back in 2021, this is an indicator of the effect that increasingly unreliable weather patterns may have on future production." I'll probably start a new thread to discuss that general topic over the weekend. DEFRA are another bunch of self serving arseholes. How about the fact they have had millions of badgers culled in the UK and Ireland to stop cattle catching TB? When in fact it was the reverse. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 29, 2023 17:55:40 GMT
We cannot do anything about it as both China and India are determined to expand their carbon emissions. We have set the example and they have told us to take a hike so the costs will occur irrespective of what we do. So best to be prepared for what will happen if it is true that CO2 will lead to run away global warming. So far the evidence that the models and the predictions will come true is pretty thin on the ground. Best we stop our sackcloth and ashes approach and concentrate on the welfare of the British people. Many people are now predicting China will hit carbon neutrality first. Be careful not to underestimate them. China does not have a lot of oil and is forever in need of more energy for its factories. It has the greatest incentive to generate that energy at home, away from US military vulnerabilities. They may hit it after immense expansion and it is, according to the warmist doommongers, the emissions now that are causing the problem. Hitting net zero is no good in six years if you double emissions as part of the process of getting there. Now however the part that relies on carbon capture and offsetting seems like a bit of a game not really grounded in reality. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 29, 2023 17:57:06 GMT
SP asked: "What will be the effect on the UK of climate change and what do we have to do to meet that challenge?" I've just been reading a very interesting Defra report on UK food security and this is presented as one of its 'key messages': "The biggest medium to long term risk to the UK’s domestic production comes from climate change and other environmental pressures like soil degradation, water quality and biodiversity. Wheat yields dropped by 40% in 2020 due to heavy rainfall and droughts at bad times in the growing season. Although they have bounced back in 2021, this is an indicator of the effect that increasingly unreliable weather patterns may have on future production." I'll probably start a new thread to discuss that general topic over the weekend. I will reply on that thread as this raises many issues. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 29, 2023 18:03:02 GMT
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