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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 28, 2023 14:31:04 GMT
You know I was speaking 'collectively' not just Australia and New Zealand
Brexit trade boost as UK signs £12trillion treaty in breakthrough that could not be achieved in EU
Britain has become the first European country to join the trading bloc, which consists of 11 major economies including Australia, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, Japan and Vietnam.
As agreed of the deal, nearly all exports to this bloc will pass through with zero tariffs.
The CPTPP has a population of over 500 million and currently accounts for around 15 per cent of global GDP which is reportedly worth £12 trillion in GDP.
We have an FTA with the EU, four other new FTAs, we're joining the CPTPP FTA. Over thirty continuity FTAs. And yet many remoaners act as if we're trading on WTO terms with no deals at all. Is it any wonder their project fear was proven to be nonsense? So, you agree that we had most of this whilst INSIDE the EU? And as shown, the agreements with Australia and NZ are worth jack (and also have bad effects too as noted by NFU). Can you find what CPTPP is worth, as FS is unable to do it? So once again andrew 'overlooks' ..
Britain has become the first European country to join the trading bloc, which consists of 11 major economies including Australia, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, Japan and Vietnam.
So andrew note 'FIRST European country' to join the trading block ....
Are you telling us if we were still part of the EU we would be making deals like that ^^
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Post by see2 on Dec 28, 2023 14:40:27 GMT
You know I was speaking 'collectively' not just Australia and New Zealand
Brexit trade boost as UK signs £12trillion treaty in breakthrough that could not be achieved in EU
Britain has become the first European country to join the trading bloc, which consists of 11 major economies including Australia, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, Japan and Vietnam.
As agreed of the deal, nearly all exports to this bloc will pass through with zero tariffs.
The CPTPP has a population of over 500 million and currently accounts for around 15 per cent of global GDP which is reportedly worth £12 trillion in GDP.
So, you agree that we had most of this whilst INSIDE the EU? And as shown, the agreements with Australia and NZ are worth jack (and also have bad effects too as noted by NFU). Can you find what CPTPP is worth, as FS is unable to do it? So once again andrew 'overlooks' ..
Britain has become the first European country to join the trading bloc, which consists of 11 major economies including Australia, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, Japan and Vietnam.
So andrew note 'FIRST European country' to join the trading block ....
Are you telling us if we were still part of the EU we would be making deals like that ^^ This country doesn't yet know just how beneficial joining this trading block will or will not be to the UK. There maybe no Tariffs, but there will be Rules and Regulations, none of which, to my knowledge, have been posted so far. I want the UK to do well, I live here. But it is still very much a wait and see situation. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 28, 2023 14:50:27 GMT
So once again andrew 'overlooks' ..
Britain has become the first European country to join the trading bloc, which consists of 11 major economies including Australia, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, Japan and Vietnam.
So andrew note 'FIRST European country' to join the trading block ....
Are you telling us if we were still part of the EU we would be making deals like that ^^ This country doesn't yet know just how beneficial joining this trading block will or will not be to the UK. There maybe no Tariffs, but there will be Rules and Regulations, none of which, to my knowledge, have been posted so far. I want the UK to do well, I live here. But it is still very much a wait and see situation. Fair enough, for once you've made a rational post, the point I am making we would not have had this choice under EU dictatorship, it's a 'leap of faith', we would never move forward if we didn't take risks, most of us expected a rocky ride, and I for one am surprised it wasn't far worse than it has been.
I am very very pleased with progress so far, it will be a travesty if Starmer/Blair/Labour destroy this once in a lifetime opportunity, they will only be self serving themselves, with total disregard for the UK citizens.
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 28, 2023 18:53:13 GMT
The thing is whilst we were in the EU, we had the downsides of the EU's ludicrous membership fee, the EU's Common External Tariff, an over valued currency www.ft.com/content/ec6bef86-1653-11e4-8210-00144feabdc0 which wasn't competitive against the Euro and manufacturers were leaving in droves. Ford ditched car manufacturing here in 2000 and commercial vehicle manufacturing ended 12 years after. Commercial manufacturing was withering. There was mandatory EU poverty migration accommodation (free movement). Also, we couldn't negotiate our own FTAs, we were subject to a whole load of absurd EU rules including a tax on tampons! There was the absurdity of the CAP and the CFP. There was the absurd Common Defence and Security Policy, which provided neither but risked undermining the role of NATO and Article 1 of the 1949 treaty. The deals with the Aussies and New Zealanders make for fairer imports and cheaper goods as well as eliminating tariffs for exporters. Don't quote predictions at me, you're citing the same morons at the treasury who gave George Osborne his 'septic peg' misforecasts. Freer trade is fairer trade, when its done with democracies. Before the referendum we sold £223.3 billion to the EU. Adjusted for inflation that's £297 billion. Last year we sold £340 billion to the EU. Adjusting for inflation our exports to the EU are more competitive than they were when we were members, would you wish to pull the cloth from under our manufacturers and return us to the chaos and pain that we had before? If yes, why? It doesn't make economic sense. We can debate whether free movement is a good thing or not, and it's fair to have a difference of opinion on this, but the question that I asked was about the benefit of the CPTPP gave to our economy. FS seemed to think that it was worth £12Tn, but he'd misunderstood that they were quoting total GDP of all of the countries together, not the benefit to the UK. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 28, 2023 21:44:27 GMT
Too early to say if CPTPP will be good for exports, it'll be good for imports though.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 29, 2023 4:11:44 GMT
Yet more good news as we approach Independence day.
Ursula von der Leyen's EUSSR's Commission is risking more members of the EU27 quitting the bloc with tactics reminiscent of "oppressive regimes" such as Vladimir Putin's Russia, experts have warned. More than seven years on from Brexit, and with right-wing eurosceptic Geert Wilders seemingly poised to be the next Prime Minister of the Netherlands, the EUSSR is gearing up for major challenges as 2024 looms.
The pound will hit $1.30 next year and keep climbing against the dollar as traders who bet against Britain are proven wrong again, according to analysts.
Kit Juckes, chief foreign exchange strategist at Societe Generale, the bank, said there was an “enormous amount of negativity” about the British economy that was unwarranted.
The Bank of England's forecasting record has been lamentable, says ALEX BRUMMER...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 6:41:28 GMT
I thought you used a LINK because you were ashamed to present The Express and Daily Mail as newspapers. Your standards are even lower than they appear. I've noticed when a thread is not to your liking, you have a habit of disrupting it without any pretence of debate. Perhaps you are one of these people who hate to see the UK doing well. If the current situation of near perpetual social and economic crisis is the UK doing well, God help us all if we ever start doing badly. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 30, 2023 10:22:06 GMT
you are getting as bad as see2 for commenting on threads that you clearly haven't even studied, you do know it's very annoying.
Australia and New Zealand are the two landmark post-Brexit free trade agreements. They were signed on December 2021 and February 2022, respectively. These deals were negotiated from scratch, in theory allowing the UK to tailor them as per its objectives.
You believe that those two trade deals are lucrative? 🤔 Where's andrew?
UK on brink of landmark post-Brexit India trade deal in major Rishi Sunak win for 2024
EXCLUSIVE: Rishi Sunak is stepping up crucial talks to secure a huge post-Brexit UK trade deal with India in time for Easter.
Prime Minister Mr Sunak and India’s premier Narendra Modi, below, are said to be keen to get the deal wrapped up by April.
The mega tie-up could dramatically boost trade between Britain and India which is currently worth £36billion.
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 30, 2023 11:03:00 GMT
One presumes that as someone who objected to free movement in the EU that you would also object to work visas for Indians?
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 30, 2023 11:05:59 GMT
One presumes that as someone who objected to free movement in the EU that you would also object to work visas for Indians? LOL... oh dear andrew can't rejoice at our wonderful Brexit trade deals.
The poor EU and the remoaners, not looking good for you, is it?
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Post by sheepy on Dec 30, 2023 11:08:45 GMT
One presumes that as someone who objected to free movement in the EU that you would also object to work visas for Indians? How can we? between us we have managed to turn out a whole generation who don't believe work is good enough for them and they are all brain surgeons or generals in waiting. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 30, 2023 11:13:45 GMT
One presumes that as someone who objected to free movement in the EU that you would also object to work visas for Indians? LOL... oh dear andrew can't rejoice at our wonderful Brexit trade deals.
The poor EU and the remoaners, not looking good for you, is it?
You've got me wrong. Nothing wrong with trade deals. In fact we led most of them in the EU. And if we get more Indians over here even better, as they are hard working people. What I was picking you up on was your description of "lucrative", when it was quite clear that they were anything but. Does sound like the India deal will be bigger. I'll wait and see what the deal is before I draw conclusions. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 30, 2023 11:15:24 GMT
One presumes that as someone who objected to free movement in the EU that you would also object to work visas for Indians? How can we? between us we have managed to turn out a whole generation who don't believe work is good enough for them and they are all brain surgeons or generals in waiting. Not sure of your point? We have very low unemployment and a skills shortage. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 30, 2023 11:16:47 GMT
LOL... oh dear andrew can't rejoice at our wonderful Brexit trade deals.
The poor EU and the remoaners, not looking good for you, is it?
You've got me wrong. Nothing wrong with trade deals. In fact we led most of them in the EU. And if we get more Indians over here even better, as they are hard working people. What I was picking you up on was your description of "lucrative", when it was quite clear that they were anything but. Does sound like the India deal will be bigger. I'll wait and see what the deal is before I draw conclusions. It's a race against time, because if Starmer gets in to power we can kiss goodbye to any lucrative trade deals, he'll shackle us back to the EU, which will restrict our powers, he'll get his pat on the back, and the promise of a cushy number within the EU when he's no longer Labour leader... exactly what they did with puppet Blair. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 30, 2023 11:19:32 GMT
How can we? between us we have managed to turn out a whole generation who don't believe work is good enough for them and they are all brain surgeons or generals in waiting. Not sure of your point? We have very low unemployment and a skills shortage. It was in reference to an article in the Telegraph yesterday that the Tories have given up on the youth as they have no interest in working for a living, so I thought I might ask your thoughts, obviously you hadn't read it, it does have a point, because I can bet everybody knows families still keeping young people in their 20's who still think it is a right that they don't need to work. |
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