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Post by buccaneer on Dec 28, 2023 10:10:30 GMT
We've got big problems if Starmer wins the next GE. He can't put a case forward why we should rejoin the EU if all the signs indicate we are doing better without them. We have to watch he doesn't start to sabotage any future progress, he'll have the entire lefty remoaner civil service at his disposal, and they can do a lot of damage, he'll have his trade minister wrecking future lucrative trade deals with other countries. Once he sabotages Brexit he can then put his case forward why we would do better rejoining the EU......... mark my words. He's also Blair's sock puppet. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 28, 2023 10:15:50 GMT
Since Brexit the UK's economy has outperformed Germany, France, Spain and Italy. We never needed to be part of that project.
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 28, 2023 10:18:36 GMT
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 28, 2023 10:49:47 GMT
It's great that you always hide the paper you're linking. It's fun guessing whether the link will lead to The Express or the The Daily Mail.  The reason I use a LINK is because it is on MSN and the link would be longer than the post.
See what I mean?
I thought you used a LINK because you were ashamed to present The Express and Daily Mail as newspapers. Your standards are even lower than they appear. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 10:52:21 GMT
The reason I use a LINK is because it is on MSN and the link would be longer than the post.
See what I mean?
I thought you used a LINK because you were ashamed to present The Express and Daily Mail as newspapers. Your standards are even lower than they appear. I've noticed when a thread is not to your liking, you have a habit of disrupting it without any pretence of debate. Perhaps you are one of these people who hate to see the UK doing well. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 28, 2023 10:53:14 GMT
The reason I use a LINK is because it is on MSN and the link would be longer than the post.
See what I mean?
you used a LINK because you were ashamed to present The Express and Daily Mail as newspapers. Your standards are even lower than they appear. Well that would be a first. Have you got a headache now? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 28, 2023 11:04:45 GMT
You know I was speaking 'collectively' not just Australia and New Zealand
Brexit trade boost as UK signs £12trillion treaty in breakthrough that could not be achieved in EU
Britain has become the first European country to join the trading bloc, which consists of 11 major economies including Australia, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, Japan and Vietnam.
As agreed of the deal, nearly all exports to this bloc will pass through with zero tariffs.
The CPTPP has a population of over 500 million and currently accounts for around 15 per cent of global GDP which is reportedly worth £12 trillion in GDP.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 28, 2023 11:07:44 GMT
I thought you used a LINK because you were ashamed to present The Express and Daily Mail as newspapers. Your standards are even lower than they appear. Well that would be a first. Have you got a headache now? In fairness, The Express and Daily Mail actually add intellectual depth and grandeur to your posts. That can't be said of many people. Good man! |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 28, 2023 11:08:11 GMT
You know I was speaking 'collectively' not just Australia and New Zealand
Brexit trade boost as UK signs £12trillion treaty in breakthrough that could not be achieved in EU
Britain has become the first European country to join the trading bloc, which consists of 11 major economies including Australia, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, Japan and Vietnam.
As agreed of the deal, nearly all exports to this bloc will pass through with zero tariffs.
The CPTPP has a population of over 500 million and currently accounts for around 15 per cent of global GDP which is reportedly worth £12 trillion in GDP.
So how much is that worth to the UK? That's the GDP of all those countries together. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 28, 2023 11:10:34 GMT
UK economy to become fastest growing in the EUSSR beating Germany, France and Spain.
2038? A 15 year projection? ... A hae ma doots min!!!  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 28, 2023 11:12:57 GMT
You know I was speaking 'collectively' not just Australia and New Zealand
Brexit trade boost as UK signs £12trillion treaty in breakthrough that could not be achieved in EU
Britain has become the first European country to join the trading bloc, which consists of 11 major economies including Australia, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, Japan and Vietnam.
As agreed of the deal, nearly all exports to this bloc will pass through with zero tariffs.
The CPTPP has a population of over 500 million and currently accounts for around 15 per cent of global GDP which is reportedly worth £12 trillion in GDP.
So how much is that worth to the UK? That's the GDP of all those countries together. Well it's 12 trillion reasons to leave the EU, the EU must be seething, do you see what we have been missing out on while being shackled to the EU.
If we never had joined the corrupt organization we would now be the No.1 world power house, the EU have held us back, why can't you see that?
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 28, 2023 12:15:16 GMT
So how much is that worth to the UK? That's the GDP of all those countries together. Well it's 12 trillion reasons to leave the EU, the EU must be seething, do you see what we have been missing out on while being shackled to the EU.
If we never had joined the corrupt organization we would now be the No.1 world power house, the EU have held us back, why can't you see that?
Your maths and logic are both wrong. And you still failed to answer my question : what is this worth to the UK? Not £12Tr. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 28, 2023 12:21:43 GMT
We've got big problems if Starmer wins the next GE. He can't put a case forward why we should rejoin the EU if all the signs indicate we are doing better without them. We have to watch he doesn't start to sabotage any future progress, he'll have the entire lefty remoaner civil service at his disposal, and they can do a lot of damage, he'll have his trade minister wrecking future lucrative trade deals with other countries. Once he sabotages Brexit he can then put his case forward why we would do better rejoining the EU......... mark my words. Which lucrative trade deals do you refer to? We have an FTA with the EU, four other new FTAs, we're joining the CPTPP FTA. Over thirty continuity FTAs. And yet many remoaners act as if we're trading on WTO terms with no deals at all. Is it any wonder their project fear was proven to be nonsense? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 28, 2023 12:32:21 GMT
Which lucrative trade deals do you refer to? We have an FTA with the EU, four other new FTAs, we're joining the CPTPP FTA. Over thirty continuity FTAs. And yet many remoaners act as if we're trading on WTO terms with no deals at all. Is it any wonder their project fear was proven to be nonsense? So, you agree that we had most of this whilst INSIDE the EU? And as shown, the agreements with Australia and NZ are worth jack (and also have bad effects too as noted by NFU). Can you find what CPTPP is worth, as FS is unable to do it? |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 28, 2023 12:47:13 GMT
The thing is whilst we were in the EU, we had the downsides of the EU's ludicrous membership fee, the EU's Common External Tariff, an over valued currency www.ft.com/content/ec6bef86-1653-11e4-8210-00144feabdc0 which wasn't competitive against the Euro and manufacturers were leaving in droves. Ford ditched car manufacturing here in 2000 and commercial vehicle manufacturing ended 12 years after. Commercial manufacturing was withering. There was mandatory EU poverty migration accommodation (free movement). Also, we couldn't negotiate our own FTAs, we were subject to a whole load of absurd EU rules including a tax on tampons! There was the absurdity of the CAP and the CFP. There was the absurd Common Defence and Security Policy, which provided neither but risked undermining the role of NATO and Article 1 of the 1949 treaty. The deals with the Aussies and New Zealanders make for fairer imports and cheaper goods as well as eliminating tariffs for exporters. Don't quote predictions at me, you're citing the same morons at the treasury who gave George Osborne his 'septic peg' misforecasts. Freer trade is fairer trade, when its done with democracies. Before the referendum we sold £223.3 billion to the EU. Adjusted for inflation that's £297 billion. Last year we sold £340 billion to the EU. Adjusting for inflation our exports to the EU are more competitive than they were when we were members, would you wish to pull the cloth from under our manufacturers and return us to the chaos and pain that we had before? If yes, why? It doesn't make economic sense. |
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