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Post by Bentley on Dec 22, 2023 9:59:26 GMT
How does telepathic control become the basis of technology? Please don’t wonder into the realm of telekinesis . I can wander wherever my imagination takes me. The point about telekinesis or telepathic control is that we do not know if they are possible but who would have thought echo location possible hundreds of years ago. Controlling other organisms by chemicals is very much a possibility and a reality and who knows if a big blob like a whale could release an array of chemicals to make other groups do specific tasks for it. Once an organism goes down that route then evolution will hone and temper the ability. Also other organisms may find it advantageous in an evolutionary way to allow themselves to be so used. You can go where you want but don’t expect me to follow . Telekinesis only exists in the imagination. This is the world of oofle dust and abracadabra.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 22, 2023 10:07:41 GMT
UK missile base tracks 'UFO' after defence company warns 'little green men' are inside.
oh man Look, after that they did an update to the system. We all KNOW what it picked up came from SkunkWorks. I mean, yeah back then they might have hung me for saying that (but they didn’t hang the foreign guy who set fire to Whale Island despite setting fire to her majesty's dockyards still BEING a hanging matter back then) but these days Skunkworks flights are shown on PBS America and the Discovery Channel … ej
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Post by Orac on Dec 22, 2023 10:13:00 GMT
I think the balance of probabilities is that we can expect total indifference to our interests and values at best. I do have a rationale but it's not easy to put in a small, un-boring paragraph. The reason we bothered with tools is because we weren't happy just sitting in a cold cave and rolling the dice with the grim reaper every winter. It's that very same impulse that leads to conflict. We share it with all animals (certainly all carnivores). Rabbits will likely never develop tools so long as there is a strand of grass in front of them. It would never occur to them that they could 'get all the girls' by hogging all the grass in a structure and paying gaurds. There has been one massive driver behind human violence throughout history: a scarcity of resources. There just hasn't been enough land, food, etc., to go round. Alien entities with the entire universe at their disposal are unlikely to suffer from a scarcity of resources. I don't see why violence should be expected in that case. That and the reason given by Srb above. It's all relative - there will always be a trade-off between mutually exclusive outcomes and so conflict over which outcomes should happen. The only way around this would be to have everyone live in their own VR or some kind of time travel.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 22, 2023 10:28:13 GMT
It seems we have two groups now, one desperate to shut it down rather than learn from it and those who have to make it fit in their own thought processes. The really BIG Problem has been the way most scientists and their Media has been wandering around in a COMA around this whole subject since WW2 … that’s over 70 years fast asleep … doing nothing effective … whilst the Deep State and Black Ops Spooks got really BUSY and buried themselves DEEP UNDERGROUND … and made themselves untouchable and unaccountable. …. We now have a VERY SERIOUS ‘Rogue State’ within a Rogue State that is Black Op’s/Biden/Israel/NATO right now … stuff even the Pentagon knows nothing about … and tax-payers are unwittingly paying for …. see my new post in the Mind Zone on ‘chipping humans’ to see my point. www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/demonic-forces-stopped-official-investigations-into-ufos-in-the-uk/ar-AA1lTert?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3e1797f75f464a569ccae4e2379b26eb&ei=8Anyway, it seems somebody is interested in our little thread.
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Post by besoeker3 on Dec 22, 2023 11:05:20 GMT
In every alien invasion film ever made it's always the crazy conspiracy theorist living in a cabin in the woods and trying to warn the world who turns out to be right. Dubs is our incoherent, tinfoil hat wearing nut job so we should really believe everything he ever says. For those new to alien/ufo research. … fringe meetings …. you need to really catch up and study the whole array of reported alien encounters recorded over the last 5,000 years … in religious texts, rock art, paintings, church sculptures, text accounts, newspaper reports and books written by people who have been through the whole spectrum of experiences you can possibly imagine … very traumatic in some cases … from inter-dimensional teleportation/visitation to encounters with the ‘angels and demons’ in this field … that inspired the imaginations of latter-day science fiction writers. I will ask yet again - have YOU seen an actual alien in real life?? What was it like? If not, you are just speculating yet again.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 22, 2023 11:16:27 GMT
You might think that somebody might have mentioned that makes every aviator a demon.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 22, 2023 15:01:39 GMT
I can wander wherever my imagination takes me. The point about telekinesis or telepathic control is that we do not know if they are possible but who would have thought echo location possible hundreds of years ago. Controlling other organisms by chemicals is very much a possibility and a reality and who knows if a big blob like a whale could release an array of chemicals to make other groups do specific tasks for it. Once an organism goes down that route then evolution will hone and temper the ability. Also other organisms may find it advantageous in an evolutionary way to allow themselves to be so used. You can go where you want but don’t expect me to follow . Telekinesis only exists in the imagination. This is the world of oofle dust and abracadabra. Currently yes but if chemical release can instil a reaction in others then goodness knows what else is possible.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 22, 2023 15:13:59 GMT
You can go where you want but don’t expect me to follow . Telekinesis only exists in the imagination. This is the world of oofle dust and abracadabra. Currently yes but if chemical release can instil a reaction in others then goodness knows what else is possible. Which brings me back to my original position “Humans have physical attributes that was vital do develop technology. An intelligent whale with all the mental attributes possessed by humans would find it harder to progress than an intelligent ape with opposable thumbs.”
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Post by sandypine on Dec 22, 2023 15:21:48 GMT
Currently yes but if chemical release can instil a reaction in others then goodness knows what else is possible. Which brings me back to my original position “Humans have physical attributes that was vital do develop technology. An intelligent whale with all the mental attributes possessed by humans would find it harder to progress than an intelligent ape with opposable thumbs.” The point being that if an intelligent whale could manipulate an unintelligent ape then the opposable thumb would be put to the use of the whale not the ape. That manipulation could be by any of the methods we already know about such as chemical or by any method not yet dreampt about in our philosophies.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 22, 2023 15:34:59 GMT
Which brings me back to my original position “Humans have physical attributes that was vital do develop technology. An intelligent whale with all the mental attributes possessed by humans would find it harder to progress than an intelligent ape with opposable thumbs.” The point being that if an intelligent whale could manipulate an unintelligent ape then the opposable thumb would be put to the use of the whale not the ape. That manipulation could be by any of the methods we already know about such as chemical or by any method not yet dreampt about in our philosophies. Which supports my point . A whale would not only need to be exceptionally intelligent but have control over an already intelligent animal that it has never seen. By the time the whale has evolved the abilities ( that it doesn’t need to survive so evolution doesn’t really apply) the ape might have evolved the skills anyway. It’s fanciful and indulgent.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 22, 2023 17:07:05 GMT
The point being that if an intelligent whale could manipulate an unintelligent ape then the opposable thumb would be put to the use of the whale not the ape. That manipulation could be by any of the methods we already know about such as chemical or by any method not yet dreampt about in our philosophies. Which supports my point . A whale would not only need to be exceptionally intelligent but have control over an already intelligent animal that it has never seen. By the time the whale has evolved the abilities ( that it doesn’t need to survive so evolution doesn’t really apply) the ape might have evolved the skills anyway. It’s fanciful and indulgent. The animal the whale has control over does not need to be intelligent it just needs to be manipulated. It is only a tool, no different to a wheelbarrow or a kitchen mixer. In fact evolution may make the animal totally subservient as a means of survival in a sort of symbiotic relationship. If there is some advantage to a whale becoming ever more able to control other creatures then it is almost certain evolution will progress to that end. Just as if there was no problem with food supply and there was an advantage for mice to be bigger then very soon they would become the size of elephants.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 22, 2023 17:17:58 GMT
Which supports my point . A whale would not only need to be exceptionally intelligent but have control over an already intelligent animal that it has never seen. By the time the whale has evolved the abilities ( that it doesn’t need to survive so evolution doesn’t really apply) the ape might have evolved the skills anyway. It’s fanciful and indulgent. The animal the whale has control over does not need to be intelligent it just needs to be manipulated. It is only a tool, no different to a wheelbarrow or a kitchen mixer. In fact evolution may make the animal totally subservient as a means of survival in a sort of symbiotic relationship. If there is some advantage to a whale becoming ever more able to control other creatures then it is almost certain evolution will progress to that end. Just as if there was no problem with food supply and there was an advantage for mice to be bigger then very soon they would become the size of elephants. It’s a wild fantasy. In other fantasies jellyfish will evolve an internal nuclear reactor and fly to the moon .
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Post by sandypine on Dec 22, 2023 17:25:38 GMT
The animal the whale has control over does not need to be intelligent it just needs to be manipulated. It is only a tool, no different to a wheelbarrow or a kitchen mixer. In fact evolution may make the animal totally subservient as a means of survival in a sort of symbiotic relationship. If there is some advantage to a whale becoming ever more able to control other creatures then it is almost certain evolution will progress to that end. Just as if there was no problem with food supply and there was an advantage for mice to be bigger then very soon they would become the size of elephants. It’s a wild fantasy. In other fantasies jellyfish will evolve an internal nuclear reactor and fly to the moon . It is a comparison to show that intelligent life does not need an opposable thumb to be successful all it needs to do is provide instructions to the instructable. I am not sure whay you think anything is wild fantasy as the existence of life all around and the evidence if the creatures of the past are surely fantastic enough. A wasp can control an ant 20 times its size and weight merely by stinging in a very precise spot. The ant will then walk to the wasps demands to its rather unpleasant death.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 22, 2023 17:27:46 GMT
It’s a wild fantasy. In other fantasies jellyfish will evolve an internal nuclear reactor and fly to the moon . It is a comparison to show that intelligent life does not need an opposable thumb to be successful all it needs to do is provide instructions to the instructable. I am not sure whay you think anything is wild fantasy as the existence of life all around and the evidence if the creatures of the past are surely fantastic enough. A wasp can control an ant 20 times its size and weight merely by stinging in a very precise spot. The ant will then walk to the wasps demands to its rather unpleasant death. Yes but can a wasp control a halibut with mind control?
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Post by sandypine on Dec 22, 2023 17:31:52 GMT
It is a comparison to show that intelligent life does not need an opposable thumb to be successful all it needs to do is provide instructions to the instructable. I am not sure whay you think anything is wild fantasy as the existence of life all around and the evidence if the creatures of the past are surely fantastic enough. A wasp can control an ant 20 times its size and weight merely by stinging in a very precise spot. The ant will then walk to the wasps demands to its rather unpleasant death. Yes but can a wasp control a halibut with mind control? No idea but a whale can exude chemicals and probably direct the spray and 'mind control' was only one option. Perhaps there is a form of hypnosis that would suit the bill and we know that exists to various degrees.
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