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Post by Vinny on Feb 3, 2024 7:56:59 GMT
Evidence? You haven't got any, have you, fanatic...
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Post by sheepy on Feb 3, 2024 10:27:36 GMT
So you couldn't name ONE PERSON who could make you think you are wrong. You just confirmed that you are a true believer lol. What about if Jeremy Corbell or George Knapp got the access they are asking for, and realised it was all a hoax, then said they had got it wrong. Would you believe them? How do you ever think you will find out what is really going on if you are blind to one side of the argument? Am I blind to good evidence exposing a ‘fake’ sighting, CGI, witnesses lying?? Anyone can step up and systematically dismantle the evidence dropped in the two major alien threads on this Forum … I’m here waiting and addressing those who take up the challenge … but BS3 and Vinny never seriously analyse this data … and pick holes in any of it … although there must be at least some of it that might have been faked. … and it got slipped past my radar. … dubunkers have to do as much work as researchers … when it comes to verification. People can’t just slap the word “FAKE!!!!!!” … and just walk away … “show me your proofs” is what every SERIOUS researcher will say. Professional debunkers are mostly v.lazy people … fakers too … which makes them sloppy … and easily exposed. The fakers who really put the work in …. take longer to slip up … unravel. But the REAL people with the REAL footage are 100% genuine … it’s their EVIDENCE you have to RESPECT. … Delivered at great cost … in so many ways. You only have your informed opinion, while others only have an uninformed opinion. So, it probably doesn't matter much how much you want to give them the benefit of your information unless you admit it is just an opinion formed by others testimony, have you ever seen a UFO yourself? |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Feb 4, 2024 9:05:13 GMT
My opinion is irrelevant here … take it or leave it … I just drop the v. best evidence audio and visual evidence I come across … It would help if complainers like Vinny had Internet PC connections that played audio.
I’m not here catering for deaf and blind people …
… If whining sceptics actually studied the content here, they would have already heard me relate my personal UFO experience … I’m not repeating it again … trawl the archive.
Sceptics here generally don’t drop any content that is interesting (because they never put in any research) … laziness infects their mentality … they are generally just working to a fixed Agenda … denial … and their explanations for certain events and phenomena often lack logic and insight.
Ridicule and scepticism shouldn’t be used as a substitute for scientific and other types of exhaustive investigative research.
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Moving on … here is an account that I’ve only just heard about … a video dropped only 18 hrs ago on Youtube ….about a 1994 10-day abduction experience that happened to New Zealander Alex Newbold.
I must try and get a copy of his book Co-Evolution … which strangely, weirdly, strongly mirrors some of the deduced ideas I’ve been airing on this thread about aliens and their likely human genetic engineering on this Planet …
This video confirms a human history hidden from us by this ‘dark force’ … a ruling elite now dominating Deep State, so powerful it can easily rig elections and seriously destroy true Democratic representation.… and by so doing … truly threaten to subjugate us and possibly environmentally destroy our Planet.
Education exposing this elite and the Cover-up they are engaged in …. is the way forward to break the shackles of this oppression … and restore us to better mental health and better future planning.
… a form of “Enlightenment” that is detached from the oppressive nature and corruptions now pandemic in our Religions.
[Note: In this video are details of time slip, possibly portal phenomena, details of Authority cover-up and intimidation, and human genetic evolutionary interference - most likely generally beneficial DNA engineering(?)]
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Post by sheepy on Feb 4, 2024 9:39:47 GMT
My opinion is irrelevant here … take it or leave it … I just drop the v. best evidence audio and visual evidence I come across … It would help if complainers like Vinny had Internet PC connections that played audio. I’m not here catering for deaf and blind people … … If whining sceptics actually studied the content here, they would have already heard me relate my personal UFO experience … I’m not repeating it again … trawl the archive. Sceptics here generally don’t drop any content that is interesting (because they never put in any research) … laziness infects their mentality … they are generally just working to a fixed Agenda … denial … and their explanations for certain events and phenomena often lack logic and insight. Ridicule and scepticism shouldn’t be used as a substitute for scientific and other types of exhaustive investigative research. ************************************ Moving on … here is an account that I’ve only just heard about … a video dropped only 18 hrs ago on Youtube ….about a 1994 10-day abduction experience that happened to New Zealander Alex Newbold. I must try and get a copy of his book Co-Evolution … which strangely, weirdly, strongly mirrors some of the deduced ideas I’ve been airing on this thread about aliens and their likely human genetic engineering on this Planet … This video confirms a human history hidden from us by this ‘dark force’ … a ruling elite now dominating Deep State, so powerful it can easily rig elections and seriously destroy true Democratic representation.… and by so doing … truly threaten to subjugate us and possibly environmentally destroy our Planet.
Education exposing this elite and the Cover-up they are engaged in …. is the way forward to break the shackles of this oppression … and restore us to better mental health and better future planning.… a form of “Enlightenment” that is detached from the oppressive nature and corruptions now pandemic in our Religions. [Note: In this video are details of time slip, possibly portal phenomena, details of Authority cover-up and intimidation, and human genetic evolutionary interference - most likely generally beneficial DNA engineering(?)] Your opinion is not irrelevant, it might seem that way, an awakening could be being diverted, because it turns upside down everything you are told that you believe. Which in some terms makes your video make sense, we could be at desperate times for those who have control, which in many cases seem to have completely lost their minds. I was told several years ago if we were determined to create a new politics and a new way of thinking politics, they would cause a massive war. As the last form of protecting their illusion. We seem to be very close to that point, that they are determined they will not let people on this level move on. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Feb 4, 2024 10:08:12 GMT
Moving on … here is an account that I’ve only just heard about … a video dropped only 18 hrs ago on Youtube ….about a 1994 10-day abduction experience that happened to New Zealander Alex Newbold. But you have no hard facts, just speculation as usual. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 4, 2024 11:40:21 GMT
I have a pc at home with speakers. It's got 32gb ram and an 8gb graphics card. But not putting it on to watch the crap videos of a man who posts crap arguments citing supposition as if it were hard fact, and ignores hard facts moving goalposts because it's inconvenient.
Dub, you have a belief, just like religious people have a belief. And you've well and truly gone down the rabbit hole, just like I once did.
I used to "study" ufo websites back in the late 90's and early 2000's.
I've been out at night, with someone who believes in UFOs and we both saw something bright in the sky some distance away.
It was an interesting experience, but could have been anything.
Could have been the International Space Station moving across the sky.
Onus of proof is upon you to provide better proof than some YouTube.
Actual scientific methods for the propulsion of a craft at greater than light speed. Where is the mathematical model?
Radio frequencies and modulation methods for observing extra terrestrial radio broadcasts.
Plans for the construction of a bespoke radio receiver which will receive extra terrestrial messages.
Can you provide such things? No, you can't.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Feb 5, 2024 8:10:42 GMT
All the evidence you could possibly need is in these two alien threads, Vinny … but if you haven’t got a PC that delivers audio … or you are not willing to seriously look at and listen to that witness testimony later on your home system … (when you get back from working at CIA HQ UK care of GCHQ, Cheltenham is my guess 🤣👍) …. actually processing the evidence …. like an ostrich with it’s head in the sand … you and your ilk will be heading over a cliff like lemmings … ignorant ‘til you hit the ground hard. Open minded? … you don’t know the meaning of the word. Your opinion is not irrelevant, it might seem that way, an awakening could be being diverted, because it turns upside down everything you are told that you believe. Which in some terms makes your video make sense, we could be at desperate times for those who have control, which in many cases seem to have completely lost their minds. I was told several years ago if we were determined to create a new politics and a new way of thinking politics, they would cause a massive war. As the last form of protecting their illusion. We seem to be very close to that point, that they are determined they will not let people on this level move on. Opinions are like a small pebble on a small pond, when people empathise and share that opinion … deliver confidence from Disclosure … share personal experiences that delivers the Big Picture … then you don’t have a Religion that is largely ethereal … you have a solid evidence-based foundation for engaging further scientific research. Something tangible that builds to become a tidal wave of a new consciousness … There will always be those who will lose their heads being resistant to change … these Dr Strangeloves have had their day and think destroying Humanity by nuking our Planet will give them a desirable future. …. It won’t. …. 🤯☠️☠️ All they have to do … to save their situation … is resign, step aside peacefully, hand back most of their money to help environmentally repair the damage they have been engineering since WW2 … dismantle all nukes on all sides of these divides, stop threatening other tribes, move on and secure borders and repatriate extremists within tribes attacking others … There is no doubt about it Segregation can protect incompatible cultures and religions especially(for those that want to continue to believe in certain customs - happy living like that). Dangerous freaks in our modern world, tbh. Gaza and 9/11 confirmed that. Many whistleblowers within the military … even security guards in complexes where crashed/retrieved alien craft were stored, and alien bodies were pickled in preservative fluid in giant clear tubes - were driven by a common growing concern this secret shouldn’t be kept from the Public … and to hell with the Official Secrets Act. The sooner we set up open free museums to extra-terrestrial culture … in all it’s diversity … showing craft, material, technology, bodies and knowledge/psychology … all over the World … the sooner the sceptics/Pentagon war-mongers will realise how out-dated they sound … that their pathway is Evolution Ending … especially Star Wars. Any Public ‘Alien Anxiety’ will evaporate away rapidly when people realise that 95% of alien intervention in recent human history … has largely been ‘hands-off’ and ‘benign’. The biblical ‘wrath of the Gods’ … rarely shows itself openly today … most genocidal idiocy is instigated by misguided human psychotic apes these days … mostly Muslims, Christians and to a very large extent …. Zionists it seems are the main driving force to Anarchy here. They had a 2,000 year opportunity in control … as God’s bankers … given incredible freedoms to f.up the planet … now it’s time for radical change … based on hidden Disclosure evidence finally exposed. We aren’t another 25 years for FULL Disclosure … especially now the SETI Project has finally come clean … and admitted ET has been in touch … NEWS now being suppressed by the U.N. apparently. Here is an interesting story - Courtesy of Orac. … Thanks. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Feb 5, 2024 8:48:40 GMT
1) I've been out at night, with someone who believes in UFOs and we both saw something bright in the sky some distance away. *********** 2) Actual scientific methods for the propulsion of a craft at greater than light speed. Where is the mathematical model? 1) Gawd, … I’ve never done that … that’s a bit of a long shot! ….what are the chances of catching a sighting that is convincing … on just one night out? … 5 million to one against I reckon? Do the lottery instead … and buy a decent PC … and a seat on Branson’s billionaire space rocket … maybe ET will pop by and wave from their windows? I’ve been casually interested sifting and searching evidence, keeping my eyes peeled for over 50 years … and I only have had one decent daylight ‘airship UFO’ encounter … ¼ mile away. … just for a few seconds … then gone. ********** 2) Will video of an object disappearing from near the Sun at light speed in a second … and returning exactly 10 mins later … to the second ….be OK evidence as proof these UFO’s move fast? Near light speed. P.S. You need a PC with sound to hear the commentary explaining what is going on here, Vinny. Looks like the Views count on this video is going backwards! … I guess the Religious nutters censoring Google today … don’t want people to know ET is out there … and using the same clock time we use here on Earth. 🤔 😂🤣 |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 9:53:25 GMT
Don't be so fucking cheeky.
My work PC is a work PC, it's for work. Not watching YouTube shite.
And if you believe something you saw on YouTube, well that's a good litmus test for me that I'm not missing anything.
I have better uses for my home PC which has 32gb ram and 8gb graphics, as well as speakers.
You are a believer, not a critical thinker.
Science and the scientific method means nothing to you.
The propaganda you watched is bollocks, you cannot provide hard evidence.
By what scientific method can one overcome the light speed barrier? Show me a mathematical model, or blueprints for testing not some crappy waste of time video for the weak minded.
By what scientific method is it possible to communicate in real time with beings from other planets? Mathematical model or blueprints.
Something any of us can test replicate, prove or disprove please.
Spare us your propaganda, it's childish.
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Post by besoeker3 on Feb 5, 2024 9:58:39 GMT
1) I've been out at night, with someone who believes in UFOs and we both saw something bright in the sky some distance away. *********** 2) Actual scientific methods for the propulsion of a craft at greater than light speed. Where is the mathematical model? 1) Gawd, … I’ve never done that … that’s a bit of a long shot! ….what are the chances of catching a sighting that is convincing … on just one night out? … 5 million to one against I reckon? Do the lottery instead … and buy a decent PC … and a seat on Branson’s billionaire space rocket … maybe ET will pop by and wave from their windows? I’ve been casually interested sifting and searching evidence, keeping my eyes peeled for over 50 years … and I only have had one decent daylight ‘airship UFO’ encounter … ¼ mile away. … just for a few seconds … then gone. ********** 2) Will video of an object disappearing from near the Sun at light speed in a second … and returning exactly 10 mins later … to the second ….be OK evidence as proof these UFO’s move fast? Near light speed. P.S. You need a PC with sound to hear the commentary explaining what is going on here, Vinny. Looks like the Views count on this video is going backwards! … I guess the Religious nutters censoring Google today … don’t want people to know ET is out there … and using the same clock time we use here on Earth. 🤔 😂🤣 And still you have no hard facts. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 5, 2024 10:19:10 GMT
Don't be so fucking cheeky. My work PC is a work PC, it's for work. Not watching YouTube shite. And if you believe something you saw on YouTube, well that's a good litmus test for me that I'm not missing anything. I have better uses for my home PC which has 32gb ram and 8gb graphics, as well as speakers. You can't watch youtube videos and this status has remained for days? So, you can discuss youtube videos but you can't watch them? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 10:29:02 GMT
I don't watch YouTube videos at work.
I do watch YouTube videos at home.
I have made videos at home and am very aware of modern special effects technologies. Anyone can produce UFO videos, but there's a difference between videos and evidence that Dubdrifter doesn't understand.
Scientific method: Observation, Question, Hypothesis, Experiment, Conclusion, Results.
Dub doesn't use the scientific method, he starts with a belief, chucks away any evidence which challenges his views and moves the goalposts to suit.
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Post by Orac on Feb 5, 2024 10:32:27 GMT
I don't watch YouTube videos at work. I do watch YouTube videos at home. I have made videos at home and am very aware of modern special effects technologies. Anyone can produce UFO videos, but there's a difference between videos and evidence that Dubdrifter doesn't understand. Scientific method: Observation, Question, Hypothesis, Experiment, Conclusion, Results. Dub doesn't use the scientific method, he starts with a belief, chucks away any evidence which challenges his views and moves the goalposts to suit. Could you give me an example of a hypothetical thing that Dub's could present you here that you would accept as evidence? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2024 10:37:54 GMT
Blueprints for a radio receiver for listening to extraterrestrial radio broadcasts would be a good start.
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Post by Orac on Feb 5, 2024 10:46:21 GMT
Blueprints for a radio receiver for listening to extraterrestrial radio broadcasts would be a good start. Blueprints would prove very little as it would almost certainly take a thorough examination to discover if it was functional (or not). Btw the claim is not that the blueprints are available for download. So on the broader UFO claim, what could Dubs show you on this forum that you would accept as evidence? A picture? nope A Video? Nope Eye-witness testimony? Nope What else could there be? I'm not saying you are incorrect, i'm saying its a bit daft to demand something that couldn't be achieved even if dubs is correct |
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