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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 29, 2024 14:25:36 GMT
Lets go into full-on speculation mode If the UFO phenomena turns out to be 'a real thing', my bet is that all these notions about travelers from distant stars are moot. It may be true that something or other has made such a journey or not. Rather than being due to ships and travelers from distant societies, I think the phenomena would be far more likely an aspect of the kind of world that is implied by something like 'remote viewing' - ie a non (or hyper) physical dimension to reality itself. If the world really is like this, I can envisage a suitably high tech harnessing and controlling the extra dimension/s so that its machinery and technology isn't visibly to us in our world. The question 'are UFOS real?' would not be easily answerable - they would be part of this extended notion of reality. One reason i have for this guess is that reports from people who see UFOS often have very strange (indeed ludicrous) aspects to them I am surprised you are still undecided? Did none of the insider military Disclosure testimonies sworn on oath, the Congress Committee hearings … the Washington Press Club disclosures … or content dropped on my Alien/UFO thread … by Eye on Cinema … even astronauts making claims and assurances … convince you? It staggers me sometimes that this makes no impression on Member’s belief judgements here??… yet some people(not you Orac) are seen here happily lapping up the pixel content of the BBC and CNN dropped from known dubious Deep State sources with reputations for lying and false flag operations … and accept that without a whisper of protest … ?? Bizarre double standards eh? Think about this very carefully. Name ONE PERSON that could tell you that aliens have not visited earth and you would believe them, and therefore change your mind?That hits the nail, Dodgy … who in the World is trusted to deliver the truth here? … I trust loads of people … most credible witnesses are genuine people … I would trust them over the word of the Pope … or President Biden. What most people don’t realise is the diversity and incredible nature of what has been seen is as unbelievable to the witnesses … as it is to the sceptics and scientists … who sit in their ivory towers, laugh and pelt stones. This diversity points to both physical and ethereal visitation … from afar ( other parts of our and other galaxies) … and home environs … possibly from hidden underground/underwater regions where craft and aliens have been seen emerging .. sometimes through strange portals … portals whose physics we are only just beginning to rationalise … where solids can be liquified … and entities can walk through walls. Scientists need to stop worrying about ‘distance and the human possibility of Space travel’ being an obstruction to ‘belief’ … aliens have far better technology and evidentially have always been here or visiting throughout our history … nurturing us in secret … genetically experimenting … as much back to the time of the Garden of Eden … as they do today … to abductees. Nothing has changed … they will ALWAYS do what they do in the background … whatever we say and think … and they will make us extinct, remove us, if we threaten their Galactic FOOD/RESOURCE truck-stop any more … and continue “pissing in the gravy”.Here is an interesting one: Thanks for finding that Skinny Bob footage … I had been looking for it … as Youtube keeps deleting stuff … and their search engine pretends to be ‘dumb’. Note the blinking eyebrows … If the footage is of it’s film period … it’s a pretty good ‘fake’ head … making that bit look so real. The clip I saw had an additional brief bit of footage of a group of 3(?) wandering on a military airforce runway … after an arranged meeting with Earth officials … casually mixed in amongst them. Do you know if this was a U.S./German or Soviet base encounter? I’ll try and dig out more detail … see what pops up. This is a debating forum. Arguments require proof. And the guy cannot provide proof. He will not concede that he cannot provide proof and just spouts propaganda. Proof is provided … acceptance of those proofs is the problem here. In a climate of bullying and 😎Authority😎 deception. … it’s easy to see which powers need to use ‘propaganda’ to keep Deep State crooks at the helm. We are just lone individuals … Unmonetised … just sifting … if you don’t like being exposed … TOUGH! People who are not open-minded to reason and the incredible … and evidence dropped in a climate of v.bullying Cover-Up like we have seen since WW2 … are not really worth the time and effort of debate. You are lucky I bother to take time to educate the likes of you, Vinny. 🤣👍 … yes, … your welcome! … now run off and “buy me a coffee” … 🏦🏦🏦 |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 29, 2024 15:05:11 GMT
Evidence for "deep state"? Evidence for UFOs / space faring extra terrestrials, and how to contact them?
Dub, you've trawled the duff part of the internet looking for stuff, found stuff and believed lies, haven't you?
There's no proof of anything you've posted.
And from time to time you veer off topic and start prattling on about some other conspiracy theory you've heard.
And yet you never investigate real conspiracies.
Has it occurred to you that all the guff you've lapped up, was just one huge hoax to distract you from real conspiracies?
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 29, 2024 15:30:39 GMT
You are lucky I bother to take time to educate the likes of you, Vinny. 🤣👍 … yes, … your welcome! … now run off and “buy me a coffee” … 🏦🏦🏦 are the one who has failed - your absence of hard facts showing aliens. None. Maybe you trot off and treat them with your alien coffee............. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 30, 2024 8:39:38 GMT
Evidence for "deep state"? Evidence for UFOs / space faring extra terrestrials, and how to contact them? Dub, you've trawled the duff part of the internet looking for stuff, found stuff and believed lies, haven't you? There's no proof of anything you've posted. And from time to time you veer off topic and start prattling on about some other conspiracy theory you've heard. And yet you never investigate real conspiracies. Has it occurred to you that all the guff you've lapped up, was just one huge hoax to distract you from real conspiracies? You mean ….like the mysterious deaths of journalist Michael Hastings … and actress Anne Heche? The human chipping programme? Chem Trails?Vaccine harm and false efficacy claims? (That the German and UK Governments are now quietly settling?) Why are you asking me for details how to “contact aliens”?… ask your Washington Hawk mates, Vinny … they do all the meetings and have ET’s phone number … not me! By the yardstick of some people’s stupid demands for ‘hard evidence’ to be posted on an Internet Forum … I will never be able to provide details the CIA or MI5/6 exists either …will I? How many times has Orac got to post: The 'hardest' evidence that can be presented in a forum is a photograph or an eye-witness account from a reliable person. Neither is really considered 'hard evidence' (photographs can be faked and people can lie), so the request for 'hard evidence' here is a bit silly. The most that can happen here is an estimate of plausibility *************** This is a well dramatised true account that researchers have dug out … that should really concern us. … IT IS DISTURBING that you and BS3 are not in the least bit concerned about a matter of International Security.
… you are very irresponsible to suggest the Public/tax-payers should ignore what is going on here.
Distraction and misinformation of this nature is very dangerous … and you two are playing a very dangerous GAME.Putting Humanity at risk. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 30, 2024 8:45:20 GMT
Anna Politkovskaya dead because she was murdered by Putin's thugs.
Alexander Litvinenko dead poisoned with Polonium 210 by Putin's thugs.
Boris Nemtsov dead gunned down by Putin's thugs.
They exposed a real conspiracy and we're murdered.
Many more Russians have also been murder for standing up to the corrupt regime.
Anne Heche died in a car accident.
As for the other man, never heard of him.
As for you, if there were truth to your absurd claims, you'd be murdered.
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 30, 2024 10:50:32 GMT
Evidence for "deep state"? Evidence for UFOs / space faring extra terrestrials, and how to contact them? Dub, you've trawled the duff part of the internet looking for stuff, found stuff and believed lies, haven't you? There's no proof of anything you've posted. And from time to time you veer off topic and start prattling on about some other conspiracy theory you've heard. And yet you never investigate real conspiracies. Has it occurred to you that all the guff you've lapped up, was just one huge hoax to distract you from real conspiracies? You mean ….like the mysterious deaths of journalist Michael Hastings … and actress Anne Heche? The human chipping programme? Chem Trails?Vaccine harm and false efficacy claims? (That the German and UK Governments are now quietly settling?) Why are you asking me for details how to “contact aliens”?… ask your Washington Hawk mates, Vinny … they do all the meetings and have ET’s phone number … not me! By the yardstick of some people’s stupid demands for ‘hard evidence’ to be posted on an Internet Forum … I will never be able to provide details the CIA or MI5/6 exists either …will I? How many times has Orac got to post: The 'hardest' evidence that can be presented in a forum is a photograph or an eye-witness account from a reliable person. Neither is really considered 'hard evidence' (photographs can be faked and people can lie), so the request for 'hard evidence' here is a bit silly. The most that can happen here is an estimate of plausibility *************** This is a well dramatised true account that researchers have dug out … that should really concern us. … IT IS DISTURBING that you and BS3 are not in the least bit concerned about a matter of International Security.
… you are very irresponsible to suggest the Public/tax-payers should ignore what is going on here.
Distraction and misinformation of this nature is very dangerous … and you two are playing a very dangerous GAME.Putting Humanity at risk. And you have still failed to demonstrate the absence of aliens. Let's face it - you can't because there are none here. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 30, 2024 11:23:55 GMT
I demonstrated the presence of aliens in the interrogation interview .. and Orac dropped Skinny Bob on your bonce … but it didn’t register a response. 🤣
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… were you concussed by the experience? … lost for words? … unable to process such a staggering situation? … that you were lied to repeatedly by the Military since WW2??🤔 Hmmm….
… it’s a normal reaction.
The BBC ‘plays brain dead’ over so many issues … on a daily basis. …. It’s so manipulated.
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 30, 2024 12:27:12 GMT
I demonstrated the presence of aliens in the interrogation interview .. and Orac dropped Skinny Bob on your bonce … but it didn’t register a response. 🤣 🤪 … were you concussed by the experience? … lost for words? … unable to process such a staggering situation? … that you were lied to repeatedly by the Then show me the hard physical evidence of your aliens. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 30, 2024 14:07:30 GMT
Think about this very carefully. Name ONE PERSON that could tell you that aliens have not visited earth and you would believe them, and therefore change your mind?That hits the nail, Dodgy … who in the World is trusted to deliver the truth here? … I trust loads of people … most credible witnesses are genuine people … I would trust them over the word of the Pope … or President Biden. So you couldn't name ONE PERSON who could make you think you are wrong. You just confirmed that you are a true believer lol. What about if Jeremy Corbell or George Knapp got the access they are asking for, and realised it was all a hoax, then said they had got it wrong. Would you believe them? How do you ever think you will find out what is really going on if you are blind to one side of the argument? |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Feb 1, 2024 8:36:31 GMT
So you couldn't name ONE PERSON who could make you think you are wrong. You just confirmed that you are a true believer lol. What about if Jeremy Corbell or George Knapp got the access they are asking for, and realised it was all a hoax, then said they had got it wrong. Would you believe them? How do you ever think you will find out what is really going on if you are blind to one side of the argument? Am I blind to good evidence exposing a ‘fake’ sighting, CGI, witnesses lying?? Anyone can step up and systematically dismantle the evidence dropped in the two major alien threads on this Forum … I’m here waiting and addressing those who take up the challenge … but BS3 and Vinny never seriously analyse this data … and pick holes in any of it … although there must be at least some of it that might have been faked. … and it got slipped past my radar. … dubunkers have to do as much work as researchers … when it comes to verification. People can’t just slap the word “FAKE!!!!!!” … and just walk away … “show me your proofs” is what every SERIOUS researcher will say. Professional debunkers are mostly v.lazy people … fakers too … which makes them sloppy … and easily exposed. The fakers who really put the work in …. take longer to slip up … unravel. But the REAL people with the REAL footage are 100% genuine … it’s their EVIDENCE you have to RESPECT. … Delivered at great cost … in so many ways. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Feb 1, 2024 9:48:34 GMT
So you couldn't name ONE PERSON who could make you think you are wrong. You just confirmed that you are a true believer lol. What about if Jeremy Corbell or George Knapp got the access they are asking for, and realised it was all a hoax, then said they had got it wrong. Would you believe them? How do you ever think you will find out what is really going on if you are blind to one side of the argument? Am I blind to good evidence exposing a ‘fake’ sighting, CGI, witnesses lying?? Anyone can step up and systematically dismantle the evidence dropped in the two major alien threads on this Forum … I’m here waiting and addressing those who take up the challenge … but BS3 and Vinny never seriously analyse this data … and pick holes in any of it … although there must be at least some of it that might have been faked. … and it got slipped past my radar. … dubunkers have to do as much work as researchers … when it comes to verification. People can’t just slap the word “FAKE!!!!!!” … and just walk away … “show me your proofs” is what every SERIOUS researcher will say. Professional debunkers are mostly v.lazy people … fakers too … which makes them sloppy … and easily exposed. The fakers who really put the work in …. take longer to slip up … unravel. But the REAL people with the REAL footage are 100% genuine … it’s their EVIDENCE you have to RESPECT. … Delivered at great cost … in so many ways. Try again: Show me the hard physical evidence of your aliens. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2024 13:56:03 GMT
He can't.
And, he can't bring himself to concede that he can't.
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Post by besoeker3 on Feb 1, 2024 15:38:11 GMT
He can't. And, he can't bring himself to concede that he can't. And he should stop this interminable waffling - keep it simple and direct. |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 2, 2024 3:10:21 GMT
So you couldn't name ONE PERSON who could make you think you are wrong. You just confirmed that you are a true believer lol. What about if Jeremy Corbell or George Knapp got the access they are asking for, and realised it was all a hoax, then said they had got it wrong. Would you believe them? How do you ever think you will find out what is really going on if you are blind to one side of the argument? Am I blind to good evidence exposing a ‘fake’ sighting, CGI, witnesses lying?? Anyone can step up and systematically dismantle the evidence dropped in the two major alien threads on this Forum … I’m here waiting and addressing those who take up the challenge … but BS3 and Vinny never seriously analyse this data … and pick holes in any of it … although there must be at least some of it that might have been faked. … and it got slipped past my radar. … dubunkers have to do as much work as researchers … when it comes to verification. People can’t just slap the word “FAKE!!!!!!” … and just walk away … “show me your proofs” is what every SERIOUS researcher will say. Professional debunkers are mostly v.lazy people … fakers too … which makes them sloppy … and easily exposed. The fakers who really put the work in …. take longer to slip up … unravel. But the REAL people with the REAL footage are 100% genuine … it’s their EVIDENCE you have to RESPECT. … Delivered at great cost … in so many ways. You are not getting my point. You claim you want "disclosure" and to know the truth, but even if you get it, you will not accept it if it means there are no aliens. So why even post this topic on here? It is not a debate if you are a true believer, all you are doing is trying to preach to us lol. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Feb 3, 2024 6:48:20 GMT
You are not getting my point. You claim you want "disclosure" and to know the truth, but even if you get it, you will not accept it if it means there are no aliens. So why even post this topic on here? It is not a debate if you are a true believer, all you are doing is trying to preach to us lol. The evidence aliens have visited and shaped this planet … doesn’t hang on a CENSORED Disclosure Enquiry controlled and manipulated and run by an arguably corrupted CIA/ Deep State. The U.S.DISCLOSURE PROJECT is just about the more recent 70 year evidence the Americans gathered, rampaging around the World like the Nazis did … sucking up technology and secrets linked to Occult/Ethereal/ET Forces. The Russians and Chinese have their own evidence … which is another reason these Western Nazis want to move East and seize control there. Grab it and lock this stuff out of sight forever. Destroy Free Elections … and cement in a Slave Culture. This isn’t a Congress with the POWER to get the keys and open doors and fully expose the activities of this Black Ops Posse. They are naive, ill-informed politicians not qualified to even run their Country into the ground …( but somehow they manage that). They were chosen by Deep State to be running this Hearing … because of their naivety and ignorance… for being ‘out of their depth’. Their experience of ET matters comes from Hollywood … not serious research. …. very much like some of the sceptics on here … This is a sham enquiry that is trying it’s best … but because the International MSM is owned by the Cover-Up Team … the leverage will never be enough to topple these liars from their entrenched positions. …. However, this exercise is not a waste of time …. because it is slowly dropping a few realisations to religious groups around the World ~ their Gods were either closely linked to extra-terrestrial phenomena … or manipulated by it. Only the arguably most dogmatic, egotistical and stupid elements in our Society - scientists, religious fanatics and sceptics - haven’t rationalised a connection between Space Gods and archaeological evidence, signs and alien graffiti left on Earth that shouts loud “ET was here”  These bits of precision graffiti could only be honed and perfected to this degree in this time span by an alien technology from an elevated perspective … Although we primitives can fly a bit today … we still cannot knock out work like this … of such precision, without great difficulty … from the ground perspective. The sceptics and scientists that airily brush over that FACT are grasping at straws and are delusional people that can’t rationalise evidence to the degree demanded by modern humans. This is why the General Public is now growing increasingly disillusioned with the competence shown by scientists and the seasoned professional liars that have inhabited their ranks today … exposed by a Covid 19 virus and a vaccine of hyped efficacy. Trust is broken … and the same people who did that … are still in power …. Why?? The sceptics mind has been manipulated a lot by the CIA since WW2, but not as terraformed and eco-formed as ET has this planet. … Today’s MSM-conditioned dumb humans likely came from a mix of genetic material of visiting aliens, and NOT a monkey hybrid Lucy … out of Africa … What is certain … if it was alien DNA … it was cauterised to deliver a lab human animal - the thickest, most compliant, easily brain-washed people imaginable - too lazy to seriously sift alien evidence witnessed today … and look at ALL the alien evidence regularly dropped across cultures within religious contextual archaeology for the last 10,000 years. |
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