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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 18:50:47 GMT
Have you not heard of the cost of living crisis? Or the housing crisis? Or did the headlines about the biggest drop in living standards since the Napoleonic War somehow fail to register? And are you unaware that taxes are higher than at anytime since the war even as everything funded by them is in a state of collapse due to massive cuts? All of which suggests graft and corruption as well as gross incompetence on a massive scale. Indeed one of the currupt thieving Tory profiteers, Lady Mone, has just been exposed. There are thousands like her. She though is going to be made chief scapegoat as a shield to all the others, which is going to give Mone a whole lot more to moan about. Have you not heard that we had a pandemic and the wrath of the EUSSR to endure? And of course putin thought he would try his luck in invading the Ukrain. So excuses for failure then? We actually had the biggest global meltdown since 1929 in 2008, and it didnt even start here but in America, but I don't recall you missing any opportunity to blame the government at the time. I didnt vote for them either, but it does cut both ways. You seem to be applying a total double standard. Any international crisis that happens when Labour is in power is Labour's fault, but any international crisis that happens when the Tories are in power is somebody eles's fault. No one who is not partisan is going to buy that one. And as for any problems resulting from Brexit, those who voted for it and those who implemented it need to take the blame for that one. Since I am sure that any success that might result will be something that you are all going to gladly take the credit for. But its the same double standards at work again. Anything that you want that goes bad is always someone else's fault. Anything someone else wants but you didnt, and which goes bad is their own fault. It is a brazen double standard that anyone who is not a partisan of yours can spot a mile off, which makes you thoroughly unpersuasive except for the already converted to whom you are preaching. You are strutting about like a peacock in the emperor's latest finery, wholly unaware that you are in fact naked to most of us. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 18, 2023 18:57:20 GMT
Have you not heard that we had a pandemic and the wrath of the EUSSR to endure? And of course putin thought he would try his luck in invading the Ukrain. We actually had the biggest global meltdown since 1929 in 2008, and it didnt even start here but in America, but I don't recall you missing any opportunity to blame the government at the time. I didnt vote for them either, but it does cut both ways. You seem to be applying a total double standard. Any international crisis that happens when Labour is in power is Labour's fault, but any international crisis that happens when the Tories are in power is somebody eles's fault. No one who is not partisan is going to buy that one. And as for any problems resulting from Brexit, those who voted for it and those who implemented it need to take the blame for that one. Since I am sure that any success that might result will be something that you are all going to gladly take the credit for. But its the same double standards at work again. Anything that you want that goes bad is always someone else's fault. Anything someone else wants but you didnt, and which goes bad is their own fault. It is a brazen double standard that anyone who is not a partisan of yours can spot a mile off, which makes you thoroughly unpersuasive except for the already converted to whom you are preaching. You are strutting about like a peacock in the emperor's latest finery, wholly unaware that you are in fact naked to most of us. No excuses from me. We all know the tories we now have infesting the HOC and no 10 are as bad as labour. And we did not have the biggest global metdown despite you stating otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 19:03:46 GMT
How the fuck did introducing PFI turn the NHS around fiddles? PFI paid for a lot of NHS improvements at the time which worked reasonably well in the short term but in the long term has burdened the NHS with massive debts to the private sector who have been laughing all the way to the bank. Some of us on the left who were never part of New Labour criticised the scheme as a means by which private investors could make a killing off the NHS. In the long run we have been proved correct. Nevertheless, it does remain a statistical fact that although massive failings occurred at certain hospitals resulting from their managements being obsessed with the bottom line to the detriment of good healthcare - particularly resulting from New Labour incentivising the achievement of Trust status at all costs - for which Labour must take some blame, by and large the NHS was in a much healthier place by 2010 than it was in 1997. And it has deteriorated massively ever since. My own personal experience bears this out. In 2005 I was diagnosed with diabetes, but GP services were excellent. If your condition was anything more serious than routine you could get to see a GP that very day, if not you could see one two or three days later. And could book an appointment at a time to suit. From 2010 onwards the service began to decline with longer wait times to see a GP, and encouraging more people to settle for telephone consultations. Effective GP cover collapsed with the arrival of Covid and has never recovered. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 19:05:49 GMT
So excuses for failure then? We actually had the biggest global meltdown since 1929 in 2008, and it didnt even start here but in America, but I don't recall you missing any opportunity to blame the government at the time. I didnt vote for them either, but it does cut both ways. You seem to be applying a total double standard. Any international crisis that happens when Labour is in power is Labour's fault, but any international crisis that happens when the Tories are in power is somebody eles's fault. No one who is not partisan is going to buy that one. And as for any problems resulting from Brexit, those who voted for it and those who implemented it need to take the blame for that one. Since I am sure that any success that might result will be something that you are all going to gladly take the credit for. But its the same double standards at work again. Anything that you want that goes bad is always someone else's fault. Anything someone else wants but you didnt, and which goes bad is their own fault. It is a brazen double standard that anyone who is not a partisan of yours can spot a mile off, which makes you thoroughly unpersuasive except for the already converted to whom you are preaching. You are strutting about like a peacock in the emperor's latest finery, wholly unaware that you are in fact naked to most of us. No excuses from me. We all know the tories we now have infesting the HOC and no 10 are as bad as labour. And we did not have the biggest global metdown despite you stating otherwise. Economists at the time clearly described the 2008 crisis as the greatest economic meltdown since the Wall Street Crash. It was only government interventions that prevented total disaster on a similar scale |
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 18, 2023 19:35:44 GMT
How the fuck did introducing PFI turn the NHS around fiddles? PFI paid for a lot of NHS improvements at the time which worked reasonably well in the short term but in the long term has burdened the NHS with massive debts to the private sector who have been laughing all the way to the bank. Some of us on the left who were never part of New Labour criticised the scheme as a means by which private investors could make a killing off the NHS. In the long run we have been proved correct. Nevertheless, it does remain a statistical fact that although massive failings occurred at certain hospitals resulting from their managements being obsessed with the bottom line to the detriment of good healthcare - particularly resulting from New Labour incentivising the achievement of Trust status at all costs - for which Labour must take some blame, by and large the NHS was in a much healthier place by 2010 than it was in 1997. And it has deteriorated massively ever since. My own personal experience bears this out. In 2005 I was diagnosed with diabetes, but GP services were excellent. If your condition was anything more serious than routine you could get to see a GP that very day, if not you could see one two or three days later. And could book an appointment at a time to suit. From 2010 onwards the service began to decline with longer wait times to see a GP, and encouraging more people to settle for telephone consultations. Effective GP cover collapsed with the arrival of Covid and has never recovered. Do you not book your next diabetic check/bloods etc with the practice nurse every time you attend a diabetic check ? I do - nurse always says to book with her at end of appointment (ps diabetic check ups are with a practice nurse- not a GP - unless you can't follow simple food instructions and wrongly believe that metformin gives you carte blanche to eat cakes 7 days a week) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 19:44:10 GMT
You're deluded if you think that the next one will be any different. Note how fiddles doesn't state that it is Labour who are NOT picking up these disgruntled Tory voters.
Maybe the calibre of Labour MP's speak volumes. Some are so bad they are kept under wraps like Abacus. And lets not even mention those who want to be Labour MP's.
Suzy Eddie Izzard has failed in her bid to become Labour's candidate for Brighton Pavilion at the next general election
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 19:50:36 GMT
PFI paid for a lot of NHS improvements at the time which worked reasonably well in the short term but in the long term has burdened the NHS with massive debts to the private sector who have been laughing all the way to the bank. Some of us on the left who were never part of New Labour criticised the scheme as a means by which private investors could make a killing off the NHS. In the long run we have been proved correct. Nevertheless, it does remain a statistical fact that although massive failings occurred at certain hospitals resulting from their managements being obsessed with the bottom line to the detriment of good healthcare - particularly resulting from New Labour incentivising the achievement of Trust status at all costs - for which Labour must take some blame, by and large the NHS was in a much healthier place by 2010 than it was in 1997. And it has deteriorated massively ever since. My own personal experience bears this out. In 2005 I was diagnosed with diabetes, but GP services were excellent. If your condition was anything more serious than routine you could get to see a GP that very day, if not you could see one two or three days later. And could book an appointment at a time to suit. From 2010 onwards the service began to decline with longer wait times to see a GP, and encouraging more people to settle for telephone consultations. Effective GP cover collapsed with the arrival of Covid and has never recovered. Do you not book your next diabetic check/bloods etc with the practice nurse every time you attend a diabetic check ? I do - nurse always says to book with her at end of appointment (ps diabetic check ups are with a practice nurse- not a GP - unless you can't follow simple food instructions and wrongly believe that metformin gives you carte blanche to eat cakes 7 days a week) I see a practice nurse every 6 months or so and give blood to test my sugar levels as well as other things. I never need a GP for diabetes related reasons unless I have symptoms that could be a sign of possible complications, as I did a three years ago when things started happening to my feet. Though fortunately the cause proved to be benign and the symptoms cleared up. As you sound like someone who knows what he is talking about in this field, you will no doubt be aware that we diabetics have to be particularly careful with our feet. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 18, 2023 19:58:39 GMT
How the fuck did introducing PFI turn the NHS around fiddles? PFI paid for a lot of NHS improvements at the time which worked reasonably well in the short term but in the long term has burdened the NHS with massive debts to the private sector who have been laughing all the way to the bank. Some of us on the left who were never part of New Labour criticised the scheme as a means by which private investors could make a killing off the NHS. In the long run we have been proved correct. Nevertheless, it does remain a statistical fact that although massive failings occurred at certain hospitals resulting from their managements being obsessed with the bottom line to the detriment of good healthcare - particularly resulting from New Labour incentivising the achievement of Trust status at all costs - for which Labour must take some blame, by and large the NHS was in a much healthier place by 2010 than it was in 1997. And it has deteriorated massively ever since. My own personal experience bears this out. In 2005 I was diagnosed with diabetes, but GP services were excellent. If your condition was anything more serious than routine you could get to see a GP that very day, if not you could see one two or three days later. And could book an appointment at a time to suit.
From 2010 onwards the service began to decline with longer wait times to see a GP, and encouraging more people to settle for telephone consultations. Effective GP cover collapsed with the arrival of Covid and has never recovered. When the NHS management decided to go woke. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 20:06:56 GMT
PFI paid for a lot of NHS improvements at the time which worked reasonably well in the short term but in the long term has burdened the NHS with massive debts to the private sector who have been laughing all the way to the bank. Some of us on the left who were never part of New Labour criticised the scheme as a means by which private investors could make a killing off the NHS. In the long run we have been proved correct. Nevertheless, it does remain a statistical fact that although massive failings occurred at certain hospitals resulting from their managements being obsessed with the bottom line to the detriment of good healthcare - particularly resulting from New Labour incentivising the achievement of Trust status at all costs - for which Labour must take some blame, by and large the NHS was in a much healthier place by 2010 than it was in 1997. And it has deteriorated massively ever since. My own personal experience bears this out. In 2005 I was diagnosed with diabetes, but GP services were excellent. If your condition was anything more serious than routine you could get to see a GP that very day, if not you could see one two or three days later. And could book an appointment at a time to suit.
From 2010 onwards the service began to decline with longer wait times to see a GP, and encouraging more people to settle for telephone consultations. Effective GP cover collapsed with the arrival of Covid and has never recovered. When the NHS management decided to go woke. The most notable thing about 2010 onwards is that is when your lot took over. The above attempt at an alternative source to blame, as always, is utterly transparent and in this case utterly pathetic. |
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Post by patman post on Dec 18, 2023 20:08:24 GMT
PFI paid for a lot of NHS improvements at the time which worked reasonably well in the short term but in the long term has burdened the NHS with massive debts to the private sector who have been laughing all the way to the bank. Some of us on the left who were never part of New Labour criticised the scheme as a means by which private investors could make a killing off the NHS. In the long run we have been proved correct. Nevertheless, it does remain a statistical fact that although massive failings occurred at certain hospitals resulting from their managements being obsessed with the bottom line to the detriment of good healthcare - particularly resulting from New Labour incentivising the achievement of Trust status at all costs - for which Labour must take some blame, by and large the NHS was in a much healthier place by 2010 than it was in 1997. And it has deteriorated massively ever since. My own personal experience bears this out. In 2005 I was diagnosed with diabetes, but GP services were excellent. If your condition was anything more serious than routine you could get to see a GP that very day, if not you could see one two or three days later. And could book an appointment at a time to suit.
From 2010 onwards the service began to decline with longer wait times to see a GP, and encouraging more people to settle for telephone consultations. Effective GP cover collapsed with the arrival of Covid and has never recovered. When the NHS management decided to go woke. When NHS management lost sight of its raison d’etre, which, many of us thought was to deal with the sick. There are currently too few medicos in management and too many bean counters and box-tickers. It’s a pity that more of them are not aware (woke) of what people using the NHS require, and at what urgency… |
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 18, 2023 20:18:52 GMT
Do you not book your next diabetic check/bloods etc with the practice nurse every time you attend a diabetic check ? I do - nurse always says to book with her at end of appointment (ps diabetic check ups are with a practice nurse- not a GP - unless you can't follow simple food instructions and wrongly believe that metformin gives you carte blanche to eat cakes 7 days a week) I see a practice nurse every 6 months or so and give blood to test my sugar levels as well as other things. I never need a GP for diabetes related reasons unless I have symptoms that could be a sign of possible complications, as I did a three years ago when things started happening to my feet. Though fortunately the cause proved to be benign and the symptoms cleared up. As you sound like someone who knows what he is talking about in this field, you will no doubt be aware that we diabetics have to be particularly careful with our feet. Yes as a fellow diabetic I am well aware of complications - diabetic nurse does foot checks and in my experience the GPs defer to the diabetic nurse for treatments and any referrals to area diabetic team (who are all nurses) when confronted with a diabetic who wrongly believes that metformin is a licence to eat cake every day. I'm currently non medicated (gold star  for following food advice and lost weight) but have last week, despite almost clear blood results , due to higher than normal cholesterol been advised to start statins and picked up prescription today |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 18, 2023 20:34:12 GMT
When the NHS management decided to go woke. The most notable thing about 2010 onwards is that is when your lot took over. The above attempt at an alternative source to blame, as always, is utterly transparent and in this case utterly pathetic. The most notable, and indeed regrettable thing about 2010, other than having Rodney Trotter as deputy prime minister obviously, is the Equality Act. A peice of bastard legislation that encourages discrimination marginalises women and should with a sense of urgency be repealed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 21:29:15 GMT
I see a practice nurse every 6 months or so and give blood to test my sugar levels as well as other things. I never need a GP for diabetes related reasons unless I have symptoms that could be a sign of possible complications, as I did a three years ago when things started happening to my feet. Though fortunately the cause proved to be benign and the symptoms cleared up. As you sound like someone who knows what he is talking about in this field, you will no doubt be aware that we diabetics have to be particularly careful with our feet. Yes as a fellow diabetic I am well aware of complications - diabetic nurse does foot checks and in my experience the GPs defer to the diabetic nurse for treatments and any referrals to area diabetic team (who are all nurses) when confronted with a diabetic who wrongly believes that metformin is a licence to eat cake every day. I'm currently non medicated (gold star for following food advice and lost weight) but have last week, despite almost clear blood results , due to higher than normal cholesterol been advised to start statins and picked up prescription today I have been a Type 2 diabetic now for 18 years. I was prescribed Metformin immediately upon diagnosis and given the necessary diabetic advice. I was also prescribed statins. At first my blood sugar levels quickly dropped to good levels and remained there for many years, helped by a regime of exercise which I mostly get in work and weight loss. When first diagnosed I was a tight fit 44 inch waist but have now shrunk to a loose fitting 38 inch waist requiring a belt. I will soon be down to 36 inches. My weight was well over 19 stone but is now closer to 16 and falling. In more recent years I have needed additional meds to keep my blood sugars down, notably the lowest gliclazide dose and canagliflozin. But my blood sugars are starting to creep up. I am occasionally a bit naughty in that I might have an ice cream on sunday at my mums. or eat the occasional small bar of chocolate, but these are infrequent and not exactly "eating cake every day." My birthday in June and Christmas Day soon to come are the only days when I lift most restrictions on what I eat. My blood sugars spike a little on these days but it is only twice a year. I am not perfect therefore but I take my diabetes seriously nevertheless. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 19, 2023 0:47:53 GMT
Wrong - under every government since the end of the Second World War, the British people have been better off at the end of that government, both Conservative and Labour. This is the first time in several generations that the standard of living has fallen, and on top of that, all public services are in a worse state, some barely functioning properly. Our NHS was in a strong and health position in 2010, waiting times fell dramaticaly, waiting times also fell, and ambulances responded within response times, children needing urgent mental health appointments got them quickly. I find that very, very hard to believe
Now it is the case that in wales we have not had the benefit of a Conservative Government since Labour seized the place as its fiefdom in 1999
However, the key aspects I recall as a teenager are the oil crisis, endless strikes, aone arse going to the country under the banner of who governs britain and being told "not you pal"
The first in which i had any say featured Sunny Jim Callaghan's propper uppers voting as turkeys for Christmas because Callaghan was in denial about the depth to shich he was in hock to the IMF
Thatcher's first term offered me much to get my vote (she didn't, but neither did that twat sunny jim) but she screwed the country's research community as effectively as she has snatched its milk as schoolchildren years earlier
She needed a lot of brave men to expose their guts, as Neil Kinnock ponted out, to get bacjk in and she royally screwed us with 18% mortgage rates and the bloody poll tax
Her replacement was so ineffectual Spitting Image had a field day with the "fuck, we trashed the place and they gave it back to us" election special
The grey Man of Politics sold us down the river with Maastricht and caused a recession the like of which had five hundred peope queueing for four jobs in a Milton Keynes High tech Industry
Blair screwed over the little man with S660 and I REALLY don't know where you get this idea he improved the NHS because the people who were pulling their own teeth with pliers bought in B&Q when he came in, because Maggie alienated all the NHS dentists and Major did fuck all to fix that were stil pulling their own teeth out when we threw Brown out because neither Blair Nor Brown dod ANYTHING to fix that shortage
Oh yes Brown and Campbell were just as competent at boom and bust house prices as Lawson, but none were better than Lamont at fucking the economy and making foreigners billionaires. Oh and of course the mess Brown left us in took All of the Cameron / Clegg clusterfuck to recover half way from, and then the twats sucked up Lisbon and the expansion of th EU powers leaving Brexit the only sane option.
No sorry Sid I just donlt see the fantasy you seem to belive at all
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Post by dodgydave on Dec 19, 2023 2:37:44 GMT
While I think it is time for a change, there is a lot of bullshit talked.
There might be some changes for the better under Labour, but this is way different from 1997. The World has had two massive financial shocks in quick succession (financial crisis & covid), and add to that Ukraine... yet the bullshit narrative is that all our problems are because of the Tories. The simple truth is that everybody needs to pay more tax if we are to have the public services we demand. Yet Labour will push the same old fake narrative of funding services through "getting the rich to pay a fair share", a model that works literally nowhere in the world!
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for following food advice and lost weight) but have last week, despite almost clear blood results , due to higher than normal cholesterol been advised to start statins and picked up prescription today
