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Post by Ripley on Dec 17, 2023 19:15:08 GMT
I have a relative who was born in the UK but taken overseas as an infant by her parents. She married overseas and lived there for a few more years. She and her husband are both skilled, educated, and comfortably off. Her husband is highly educated. When she wanted to come back to the UK, the government stalled for more than two years on her husband's application and he was only able to gain admittance after he re-applied and could prove that his grandfather was British. Even then, the government insisted that their assets be liquid during the process. I don't think this is a proper way to treat the spouses of British born citizens. If you do not earn enough why is it incumbent on the rest of us to keep a foreign born spouse as that is in reality what is being demanded. We keep loads of spouses of loads of people already here, trying to keep the numbers down seems like an excellent policy. If keeping the numbers down is your criterion, shouldn't the spouses of citizens be given priority over other immigrant categories? In the case I am talking about, both spouses are educated, productive, and have excellent marketable skills. They have abundant assets and need no government assistance whatsoever. They are both gainfully employed and paying taxes. The foreign born spouse is a highly educated, highly skilled taxpaying asset, not a liability to the British taxpayer. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 17, 2023 19:24:52 GMT
If your British-born spouse earns enough money you don't need to have a British grandfather to accompany her to the UK.
Somebody's been telling you porkies.
My relative is a British born woman whose husband is foreign born. She had no trouble getting back in, but her husband got the runaround for two years until he remembered he had a British grandfather. That's when he reapplied under a different category and succeeded in getting in. These are two educated productive people who are comfortably off. It shouldn't have been that hard. You're right, it shouldn't.
As of now, and until the new rules come into effect, a British citizen need only earn £18,600 - just over $US 23K - to sponsor a foreign spouse.
It sounds like your relative didn't earn enough so they had to apply under the 'UK ancestry' rules to bring her spouse in.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 17, 2023 19:30:14 GMT
If you do not earn enough why is it incumbent on the rest of us to keep a foreign born spouse as that is in reality what is being demanded. We keep loads of spouses of loads of people already here, trying to keep the numbers down seems like an excellent policy. If keeping the numbers down is your criterion, shouldn't the spouses of citizens be given priority over other immigrant categories? In the case I am talking about, both spouses are educated, productive, and have excellent marketable skills. They have abundant assets and need no government assistance whatsoever. They are both gainfully employed and paying taxes. The foreign born spouse is a highly educated, highly skilled taxpaying asset, not a liability to the British taxpayer. Then your beef is with the government and whomsoever is making the decisions you disagree with but in terms of the £38700 or whatever it is that seems like a reasonable amount. The fact that our government is doing not much else of course is a bone of contention. We gave priority to spouses for British people for many years and got inundated with arranged marriages that quite often ended in divorce and with sham marriages. If I had my way immigration would be zero, illegal migrants largely gone and fraudulent citizenship conferrals dissolved. |
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Post by Ripley on Dec 17, 2023 19:32:43 GMT
My relative is a British born woman whose husband is foreign born. She had no trouble getting back in, but her husband got the runaround for two years until he remembered he had a British grandfather. That's when he reapplied under a different category and succeeded in getting in. These are two educated productive people who are comfortably off. It shouldn't have been that hard. You're right, it shouldn't.
As of now, and until the new rules come into effect, a British citizen need only earn £18,600 - just over $US 23K - to sponsor a foreign spouse.
It sounds like your relative didn't earn enough so they had to apply under the 'UK ancestry' to bring her spouse in.
Finance was not an issue, but the process involves more than just annual earnings. They were told that during the application process all their investment assets had to be liquid. By liquidating, they'd lose a lot of money over the time it took to complete the immigration process. When two years passed without any progress, the husband realized there was another way to approach it. These people were solvent and prosperous. The system is slow and inept. |
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Post by Ripley on Dec 17, 2023 19:35:53 GMT
If keeping the numbers down is your criterion, shouldn't the spouses of citizens be given priority over other immigrant categories? In the case I am talking about, both spouses are educated, productive, and have excellent marketable skills. They have abundant assets and need no government assistance whatsoever. They are both gainfully employed and paying taxes. The foreign born spouse is a highly educated, highly skilled taxpaying asset, not a liability to the British taxpayer. Then your beef is with the government and whomsoever is making the decisions you disagree with but in terms of the £38700 or whatever it is that seems like a reasonable amount. The fact that our government is doing not much else of course is a bone of contention. We gave priority to spouses for British people for many years and got inundated with arranged marriages that quite often ended in divorce and with sham marriages. If I had my way immigration would be zero, illegal migrants largely gone and fraudulent citizenship conferrals dissolved. I am not quibbling about the annual earnings threshold. That is a non-issue in this case. The problem is that each case should be evaluated on its merits but it seems every case is treated like a criminal when some are genuine. My relatives had been married twenty years and could prove it. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 17, 2023 19:39:18 GMT
The Home Office do provide the option of considering assets as an alternative to earnings, but that is only necessary when the sponsor does not have sufficient earnings, which sounds likely to be have been the case here.
But even then the assets threshold isn't particularly difficult to reach, £60K as I recall.
Either way, assets or earnings, it appears your relative and her spouse had difficulty qualifying.
The question then arises why they couldn't just remain in the US, it's hardly a hardship posting like say Bangladesh.
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 17, 2023 19:40:55 GMT
If your British-born spouse earns enough money you don't need to have a British grandfather to accompany her to the UK.
Somebody's been telling you porkies.
My relative is a British born woman whose husband is foreign born. She had no trouble getting back in, but her husband got the runaround for two years until he remembered he had a British grandfather. That's when he reapplied under a different category and succeeded in getting in. These are two educated productive people who are comfortably off. It shouldn't have been that hard. British born does not necessarily equate with British Passport holder |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 17, 2023 19:50:06 GMT
Imagine a highly qualified surgeon, scientist, engineer or doctor considering coming to the UK to fill one of the skills gaps, and imagine if that skilled person wanted to bring their wife / husband and children with them, only to discover that in the UK, you cannot do that. What will happen ? They will go somewhere else I hope the legal challenge is sucessfull because its a nasty, cruel policy. do saudi let you bring your family when you go looking for work there ? No Neither should we alliw economic migrants to bring them here. |
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Post by Ripley on Dec 17, 2023 19:51:24 GMT
My relative is a British born woman whose husband is foreign born. She had no trouble getting back in, but her husband got the runaround for two years until he remembered he had a British grandfather. That's when he reapplied under a different category and succeeded in getting in. These are two educated productive people who are comfortably off. It shouldn't have been that hard. British born does not necessarily equate with British Passport holder That's true. She was always a British passport holder. She took no other nationality. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 17, 2023 20:06:59 GMT
If you do not earn enough why is it incumbent on the rest of us to keep a foreign born spouse as that is in reality what is being demanded. We keep loads of spouses of loads of people already here, trying to keep the numbers down seems like an excellent policy. If keeping the numbers down is your criterion, shouldn't the spouses of citizens be given priority over other immigrant categories? In the case I am talking about, both spouses are educated, productive, and have excellent marketable skills. They have abundant assets and need no government assistance whatsoever. They are both gainfully employed and paying taxes. The foreign born spouse is a highly educated, highly skilled taxpaying asset, not a liability to the British taxpayer. if one economic migrant wishes to apply to work here and their spouse is also as you suggest a highly skilled worker with skills in demand then their own application to come here should get a favourable reception. If they are highly skilled but not sufficiently experienced in points-bearing work they represent a threat to existing workers with british passports, and should be banned. The Select Committee that took down Blair’s corrupt fast tracked visa scam directed this be done… |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 17, 2023 20:19:34 GMT
A £38k threshold isn't going to help the shortage of care workers or fruit pickers. It's punitively high, almost twice the minimum wage.
No one earning above £7,500 is entitled to benefits.
With an aging population we need young workers to pay the ever increasing pension bill.
It's bloody lucky this Tory government is on its way out. Hopefully the next lot won't blame all their failures on immigration and will actually find solutions instead.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 17, 2023 20:34:10 GMT
The World shouldn't have a right to move into the UK whenever it sees fit. People from the UK can't choose to live in other countries at a whim, expect to be put up free of charge in six star hotels and see a local dentist, whilst all the time telling all and sundry the hosts are dreadful far right racists. The duty of our elected government is to put the welfare and future prosperity of our citizens first, Blair, Cameron, May, Johnson and the new bloke have failed on every count. Do you think that British born citizens should have the right to bring their foreign born spouses home when they have very marketable skills, abundant assets and need no government assistance? They have the right. As long as they were born here and not just have a British passport of convenience. |
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Post by Ripley on Dec 17, 2023 20:37:12 GMT
If keeping the numbers down is your criterion, shouldn't the spouses of citizens be given priority over other immigrant categories? In the case I am talking about, both spouses are educated, productive, and have excellent marketable skills. They have abundant assets and need no government assistance whatsoever. They are both gainfully employed and paying taxes. The foreign born spouse is a highly educated, highly skilled taxpaying asset, not a liability to the British taxpayer. if one economic migrant wishes to apply to work here and their spouse is also as you suggest a highly skilled worker with skills in demand then their own application to come here should get a favourable reception. If they are highly skilled but not sufficiently experienced in points-bearing work they represent a threat to existing workers with british passports, and should be banned. The Select Committee that took down Blair’s corrupt fast tracked visa scam directed this be done… I can appreciate that no country wants to bring in more dead wood, but I would have thought that the process would be easier for someone like my relative's spouse who is something of an expert in his field and was bringing in assets. It wasn't. The irony of their situation is that in order to be near relatives in the UK, they gave up a better climate and lifestyle elsewhere. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 17, 2023 20:37:37 GMT
I have a relative who was born in the UK but taken overseas as an infant by her parents. She married overseas and lived there for a few more years. She and her husband are both skilled, educated, and comfortably off. Her husband is highly educated. When she wanted to come back to the UK, the government stalled for more than two years on her husband's application and he was only able to gain admittance after he re-applied and could prove that his grandfather was British. Even then, the government insisted that their assets be liquid during the process. I don't think this is a proper way to treat the spouses of British born citizens. Probably no worse than most other countries . |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 17, 2023 20:46:41 GMT
A £38k threshold isn't going to help the shortage of care workers or fruit pickers. It's punitively high, almost twice the minimum wage. No one earning above £7,500 is entitled to benefits. With an aging population we need young workers to pay the ever increasing pension bill. It's bloody lucky this Tory government is on its way out. Hopefully the next lot won't blame all their failures on immigration and will actually find solutions instead. ah but the so called shortage skills list isn’t subject to the increase. Shortage skill applicants can now get in on barely more than the NMW |
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