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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2023 10:15:26 GMT
Don't talk daft, 'lefties' condemn Hamas for their attack on Israel killing 1000 Israelis but also condemn the decades long 'war' on Palestine and the barbaric treatment of civilians during the occupation. Palestine should be free it is what we in the west believe in, that all people should be free. I will 'lash' out at anyone that supports genocide because that is what we in the west have always done but it appears to some that Palestinians are not 'worthy' of the same freedoms that we in the west expect. You mean don't spout common sense at me, I don't understand it. I at least need a reason to blame the Tories. The Tories and Labour are supporting genocide by not calling for a ceasefire.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 16, 2023 10:21:15 GMT
You mean don't spout common sense at me, I don't understand it. I at least need a reason to blame the Tories. The Tories and Labour are supporting genocide by not calling for a ceasefire. True the Westminster party are a cluster feck, but blowing up innocent people won't change that anywhere in the world it is done. If you want equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis you have to work at it, not go around killing innocents for the sake of it as a form of lashing out. Hamas has said themselves a two-state solution might well be the answer.
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Post by Cartertonian on Dec 16, 2023 10:23:43 GMT
The October 7th attacks were, quite rightly, characterised as a failure of Israeli (and Western) intelligence. The next attack in the UK will also be a failure of intelligence, but what is not widely publicised is the number of attacks that were foiled by our intelligence services. By coincidence, I happen to know Philip Ingram (ex-full colonel, Intelligence Corps) and I trust his analysis. There will almost certainly be further 'lone wolf' attacks and it's by no means certain that there will not be a co-ordinated attack by more organised cells.
The question is what to do about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2023 10:44:47 GMT
The Tories and Labour are supporting genocide by not calling for a ceasefire. True the Westminster party are a cluster feck, but blowing up innocent people won't change that anywhere in the world it is done. If you want equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis you have to work at it, not go around killing innocents for the sake of it as a form of lashing out. Hamas has said themselves a two-state solution might well be the answer. Israel will never 'give' Palestinians' equal rights, they have said that openly. While eyes are focused on Gaza the Israeli settlers in the West bank are openly attacking and stealing the homes of Palestinians, who exactly are the terrorists?>
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Post by sheepy on Dec 16, 2023 10:46:28 GMT
True the Westminster party are a cluster feck, but blowing up innocent people won't change that anywhere in the world it is done. If you want equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis you have to work at it, not go around killing innocents for the sake of it as a form of lashing out. Hamas has said themselves a two-state solution might well be the answer. Israel will never 'give' Palestinians' equal rights, they have said that openly. While eyes are focused on Gaza the Israeli settlers in the West bank are openly attacking and stealing the homes of Palestinians, who exactly are the terrorists?> I have told you; they are all fecking terrorists, things need to change now for the better.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 16, 2023 11:43:14 GMT
The October 7th attacks were, quite rightly, characterised as a failure of Israeli (and Western) intelligence. The next attack in the UK will also be a failure of intelligence, but what is not widely publicised is the number of attacks that were foiled by our intelligence services. By coincidence, I happen to know Philip Ingram (ex-full colonel, Intelligence Corps) and I trust his analysis. There will almost certainly be further 'lone wolf' attacks and it's by no means certain that there will not be a co-ordinated attack by more organised cells. The question is what to do about it. There is no such thing, they will have subtly been introduced to attack by whatever means, via media or other means, they might not look like they are part of a cell outwardly, but inwardly they are. The only way you can stop it, is remove the situation that is able to create it. But then the good Colonel will already know that it might put him out of a job.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 16, 2023 13:22:28 GMT
True the Westminster party are a cluster feck, but blowing up innocent people won't change that anywhere in the world it is done. If you want equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis you have to work at it, not go around killing innocents for the sake of it as a form of lashing out. Hamas has said themselves a two-state solution might well be the answer. Israel will never 'give' Palestinians' equal rights, they have said that openly. While eyes are focused on Gaza the Israeli settlers in the West bank are openly attacking and stealing the homes of Palestinians, who exactly are the terrorists?> Both.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 16, 2023 14:31:17 GMT
The Tories and Labour are supporting genocide by not calling for a ceasefire. True the Westminster party are a cluster feck, but blowing up innocent people won't change that anywhere in the world it is done. If you want equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis you have to work at it, not go around killing innocents for the sake of it as a form of lashing out. Hamas has said themselves a two-state solution might well be the answer. Indeed.
And I would suggest that if Hamas start blowing up people elsewhere they will simply harden support for Israel - to the even greater detriment of Palestinians.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2023 16:07:21 GMT
True the Westminster party are a cluster feck, but blowing up innocent people won't change that anywhere in the world it is done. If you want equal rights for Palestinians and Israelis you have to work at it, not go around killing innocents for the sake of it as a form of lashing out. Hamas has said themselves a two-state solution might well be the answer. Indeed.
And I would suggest that if Hamas start blowing up people elsewhere they will simply harden support for Israel - to the even greater detriment of Palestinians.
It'll probably bring the war further into the west, especially now terrorists have learned of their support in the west.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 16, 2023 16:13:59 GMT
You mean don't spout common sense at me, I don't understand it. I at least need a reason to blame the Tories. The Tories and Labour are supporting genocide by not calling for a ceasefire. Hamas have the means to end this war NOW. They can come out of their tunnels with their hands up and surrender. War over. And then Netanyahu has no excuses.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 16, 2023 16:16:18 GMT
Indeed.
And I would suggest that if Hamas start blowing up people elsewhere they will simply harden support for Israel - to the even greater detriment of Palestinians.
It'll probably bring the war further into the west, especially now terrorists have learned of their support in the west. As I've said before: I suspect the cold, dead hand of Russia behind this.
It will draw attention from Ukraine. As is already happening.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 16, 2023 16:17:10 GMT
The Tories and Labour are supporting genocide by not calling for a ceasefire. Hamas have the means to end this war NOW. They can come out of their tunnels with their hands up and surrender. War over. And then Netanyahu has no excuses. They'll be coming out of the tunnels anyway: The Israelis are flooding them with seawater.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 16, 2023 16:26:03 GMT
So Hamas intends to attack its enemies in Europe ? Does anyone believe that they wouldn’t intend to attack us if they succeeded in destroying Israel ?
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Post by Vinny on Dec 16, 2023 16:44:00 GMT
Hamas have the means to end this war NOW. They can come out of their tunnels with their hands up and surrender. War over. And then Netanyahu has no excuses. They'll be coming out of the tunnels anyway: The Israelis are flooding them with seawater. I know, I suggested it to them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2023 17:14:57 GMT
The Tories and Labour are supporting genocide by not calling for a ceasefire. Hamas have the means to end this war NOW. They can come out of their tunnels with their hands up and surrender. War over. And then Netanyahu has no excuses. Do you mean the tunnels Israel built?
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