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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 26, 2023 14:38:50 GMT
Steady on Moray,whilst I agree things are bad in Gaza but EDF being a shit energy company with high prices has no bearing on the matter. Sorry I know a joke in bad taste so looking at the Cleverly thread perhaps I should be given a ban for being insensitive. A shocking joke. I hope you didn't charge...
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Post by sandypine on Dec 26, 2023 15:11:20 GMT
Nonsense. If people want to express support for a murdering proscribed terrorist organisation, (Hamas), they should expect to be locked up. Describing them as the "Palestinian Resistance" doesn't quite cut it. I noticed you had to identify who you were calling terrorists (Hamas) just in case people assumed you were talking about the IDF.😂 Hamas kills an unknown number of Israelis and they are called terrorists. IDF kills over 20,000 Palestinians and they are supported as victims? Who are the real terrorists? I would have thought that intent had a lot to do with it. HAMAS intended to, and did, kill a lot of Israeli citizens and take them hostage. Hamas intend to hide amongst innocent civilians and use them as protection, Israel intend to clear HAMAS out of Gaza and to that end will accept that civilians will be killed. I do not think Israel intend to kill innocent civilians but do not seem to worry too much if that happens as they try to disable HAMAS and stop the ongoing attacks by rockets from Gaza. It is a way for HAMAS to try and claim the moral high ground by pointing to the Palestinian dead but they are doing exactly what the Nazis did in WW2 with civilians from conquered lands the difference is HAMAS are using their own civilians. It is akin to the UK in WW2 building radar stations and RAF headquarters deliberately under schools and hospitals in central London in early 1940.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 18:31:28 GMT
I noticed you had to identify who you were calling terrorists (Hamas) just in case people assumed you were talking about the IDF.😂 Hamas kills an unknown number of Israelis and they are called terrorists. IDF kills over 20,000 Palestinians and they are supported as victims? Who are the real terrorists? I would have thought that intent had a lot to do with it. HAMAS intended to, and did, kill a lot of Israeli citizens and take them hostage. Hamas intend to hide amongst innocent civilians and use them as protection, Israel intend to clear HAMAS out of Gaza and to that end will accept that civilians will be killed. I do not think Israel intend to kill innocent civilians but do not seem to worry too much if that happens as they try to disable HAMAS and stop the ongoing attacks by rockets from Gaza. It is a way for HAMAS to try and claim the moral high ground by pointing to the Palestinian dead but they are doing exactly what the Nazis did in WW2 with civilians from conquered lands the difference is HAMAS are using their own civilians. It is akin to the UK in WW2 building radar stations and RAF headquarters deliberately under schools and hospitals in central London in early 1940. We don't know Hamas killed a lot of Israeli citizens, even the Israeli government has said so. You should remember that the 'Palestinians' have been prisoners of the Israeli government for decades. I have no doubt that Hamas are a terrorist organisation but Israel are far worse.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 26, 2023 21:41:43 GMT
I would have thought that intent had a lot to do with it. HAMAS intended to, and did, kill a lot of Israeli citizens and take them hostage. Hamas intend to hide amongst innocent civilians and use them as protection, Israel intend to clear HAMAS out of Gaza and to that end will accept that civilians will be killed. I do not think Israel intend to kill innocent civilians but do not seem to worry too much if that happens as they try to disable HAMAS and stop the ongoing attacks by rockets from Gaza. It is a way for HAMAS to try and claim the moral high ground by pointing to the Palestinian dead but they are doing exactly what the Nazis did in WW2 with civilians from conquered lands the difference is HAMAS are using their own civilians. It is akin to the UK in WW2 building radar stations and RAF headquarters deliberately under schools and hospitals in central London in early 1940. We don't know Hamas killed a lot of Israeli citizens, even the Israeli government has said so. You should remember that the 'Palestinians' have been prisoners of the Israeli government for decades. I have no doubt that Hamas are a terrorist organisation but Israel are far worse. Well I suppose there is much we do not know as both sides are intent on propaganda but there seems to be much independent evidence that something pretty nasty happened on 7/10 and it was a break in to Israel by HAMAS fighters. The Palestinians are prisoners of all of the ME countries if that is how you wish to describe them. What makes you say Israel is far worse is that purely down to numbers, or the methods or something else. I am not sure what is worse than the cold blooded killing of getting on for 250 festival goers as a deliberate act of war, which is where intent comes into play.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 26, 2023 22:33:08 GMT
I would have thought that intent had a lot to do with it. HAMAS intended to, and did, kill a lot of Israeli citizens and take them hostage. Hamas intend to hide amongst innocent civilians and use them as protection, Israel intend to clear HAMAS out of Gaza and to that end will accept that civilians will be killed. I do not think Israel intend to kill innocent civilians but do not seem to worry too much if that happens as they try to disable HAMAS and stop the ongoing attacks by rockets from Gaza. It is a way for HAMAS to try and claim the moral high ground by pointing to the Palestinian dead but they are doing exactly what the Nazis did in WW2 with civilians from conquered lands the difference is HAMAS are using their own civilians. It is akin to the UK in WW2 building radar stations and RAF headquarters deliberately under schools and hospitals in central London in early 1940. We don't know Hamas killed a lot of Israeli citizens, If you say so...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 8:03:37 GMT
We don't know Hamas killed a lot of Israeli citizens, even the Israeli government has said so. You should remember that the 'Palestinians' have been prisoners of the Israeli government for decades. I have no doubt that Hamas are a terrorist organisation but Israel are far worse. Well I suppose there is much we do not know as both sides are intent on propaganda but there seems to be much independent evidence that something pretty nasty happened on 7/10 and it was a break in to Israel by HAMAS fighters. The Palestinians are prisoners of all of the ME countries if that is how you wish to describe them. What makes you say Israel is far worse is that purely down to numbers, or the methods or something else. I am not sure what is worse than the cold blooded killing of getting on for 250 festival goers as a deliberate act of war, which is where intent comes into play. I thought it was a breakout from a blockade on Gaza.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 27, 2023 8:23:07 GMT
We don't know Hamas killed a lot of Israeli citizens... Yes we do. You should remember that the 'Palestinians' have been prisoners of the Israeli government for decades... Well, according to pro-Hamas propagandists. I have no doubt that Hamas are a terrorist organisation but Israel are far worse. Maybe in Wonky-World but not in the real one.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 27, 2023 8:45:48 GMT
Well I suppose there is much we do not know as both sides are intent on propaganda but there seems to be much independent evidence that something pretty nasty happened on 7/10 and it was a break in to Israel by HAMAS fighters. The Palestinians are prisoners of all of the ME countries if that is how you wish to describe them. What makes you say Israel is far worse is that purely down to numbers, or the methods or something else. I am not sure what is worse than the cold blooded killing of getting on for 250 festival goers as a deliberate act of war, which is where intent comes into play. I thought it was a breakout from a blockade on Gaza. Why did they go north into Israel why not south into Egypt and also one can break out from a blockade but not kill lots of innocent people in the process. The festival goers were not armed, were not containing Gazans and were listening to music.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 12:45:20 GMT
We don't know Hamas killed a lot of Israeli citizens... Yes we do. You should remember that the 'Palestinians' have been prisoners of the Israeli government for decades... Well, according to pro-Hamas propagandists. I have no doubt that Hamas are a terrorist organisation but Israel are far worse. Maybe in Wonky-World but not in the real one. Show dome evidence that they specifically killed by Hamas. We have seen incinerated bodies but Hamas had a few rocket launchers and rifles. We have heard of 40 babies beheaded but no proof. We have been told they put babies in ovens but there is no evidence for any of it. We do know an Israeli attack helicopter killed many Israelis and Israeli tanks fired into Israeli houses. Hamas did kill civilians and it was an horrific attack but none of us actually know the truth. Do you doubt that Israel, before the 7th, controlled the water, supplies and power that went into Gaza?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 12:46:38 GMT
I thought it was a breakout from a blockade on Gaza. Why did they go north into Israel why not south into Egypt and also one can break out from a blockade but not kill lots of innocent people in the process. The festival goers were not armed, were not containing Gazans and were listening to music. Israel controls what goes out of Gaza into Egypt.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 27, 2023 12:54:25 GMT
Show dome evidence that they specifically killed by Hamas. We have seen incinerated bodies but Hamas had a few rocket launchers and rifles. We have heard of 40 babies beheaded but no proof. We have been told they put babies in ovens but there is no evidence for any of it. We do know an Israeli attack helicopter killed many Israelis and Israeli tanks fired into Israeli houses. Hamas did kill civilians and it was an horrific attack but none of us actually know the truth... So you think that Israel bombed it's own citizens in order to blame Hamas. Jeez, how deluded can you be?
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Post by Vinny on Dec 27, 2023 13:46:30 GMT
What a load of bollocks Morayloon. Hamas supporters should be arrested. Ordinary peace protesters should not. Hamas supporters are part of the problem and too many scumbags in OUR country support those Islamist psychopaths. Criticise both sides or be quiet. Hamas and Likud are both part of the problem. This is Tatchell demonstrating how wrong you are Morayloon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 14:34:23 GMT
Show dome evidence that they specifically killed by Hamas. We have seen incinerated bodies but Hamas had a few rocket launchers and rifles. We have heard of 40 babies beheaded but no proof. We have been told they put babies in ovens but there is no evidence for any of it. We do know an Israeli attack helicopter killed many Israelis and Israeli tanks fired into Israeli houses. Hamas did kill civilians and it was an horrific attack but none of us actually know the truth... So you think that Israel bombed it's own citizens in order to blame Hamas. Jeez, how deluded can you be? No and that's not what I said but you do like your lies. Have you not heard of the "Hannibal Directive"? You just keep believing the lies that people want you to believe, no wonder you lie so easily.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 27, 2023 14:55:38 GMT
So you think that Israel bombed it's own citizens in order to blame Hamas. Jeez, how deluded can you be? No and that's not what I said but you do like your lies. Have you not heard of the "Hannibal Directive"? You just keep believing the lies that people want you to believe, no wonder you lie so easily. Do you even read what you post, Wonky or do you simply cut & paste propaganda? I'm not lying - I'm simply pointing out the obvious implication of what you're saying.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 27, 2023 14:55:38 GMT
Why did they go north into Israel why not south into Egypt and also one can break out from a blockade but not kill lots of innocent people in the process. The festival goers were not armed, were not containing Gazans and were listening to music. Israel controls what goes out of Gaza into Egypt. No Egypt controls it, they have just made an agreement with Israel. Not the same thing at all.
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