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Post by Orac on Dec 11, 2023 20:00:24 GMT
It's embedded in the meaning of the word asylum. If you ask for asylum, you are implicitly stating that are doing so to avoid some kind of danger. Bollox. That's like saying a plea of not guilty is implicitly stating someone is not guilty. They can claim asylum, that doesn't mean they are telling the truth. That is what needs to be proven. "I need your protection from a danger" implies that you are in some kind of danger. If you are not in danger, you are making a fraudulent appeal for that protection. Even if what you are doing is legal, it is still fraud. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 11, 2023 20:23:34 GMT
Is the Rwanda plan really a plan though, changing the safety status of a country does not actually change the safety status of the country, does it? Official status of Rwanda: 'Rwanda is generally safe and crime levels are relatively low, but street crime does occur.'so, notting hill then |
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Post by dappy on Dec 11, 2023 20:24:42 GMT
People with a genuine claim do of course have to have a well founded fear of danger in their home country.
Once they have been forced to flee their homes and home country, they are under no obligation to seek asylum in the first “safe” country they reach either legally or morally.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 11, 2023 20:46:54 GMT
Bollox. That's like saying a plea of not guilty is implicitly stating someone is not guilty. They can claim asylum, that doesn't mean they are telling the truth. That is what needs to be proven. "I need your protection from a danger" implies that you are in some kind of danger. If you are not in danger, you are making a fraudulent appeal for that protection. Even if what you are doing is legal, it is still fraud. I'm struggling to believe you are this stupid. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2023 21:25:45 GMT
People with a genuine claim do of course have to have a well founded fear of danger in their home country. Once they have been forced to flee their homes and home country, they are under no obligation to seek asylum in the first “safe” country they reach either legally or morally. Just a question why do you think that specific allowance was put into the convention and protocol. Do you think it was to allow people free movement across the globe or was there another reason? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 11, 2023 21:44:15 GMT
People with a genuine claim do of course have to have a well founded fear of danger in their home country. Once they have been forced to flee their homes and home country, they are under no obligation to seek asylum in the first “safe” country they reach either legally or morally. Just a question why do you think that specific allowance was put into the convention and protocol. Do you think it was to allow people free movement across the globe or was there another reason? I think its not about the refugee, its about the countries that border the refugee. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 11, 2023 21:44:49 GMT
People with a genuine claim do of course have to have a well founded fear of danger in their home country. Once they have been forced to flee their homes and home country, they are under no obligation to seek asylum in the first “safe” country they reach either legally or morally. There is no obligation. However, clearly someone who claims to need your protection but has left a perfectly safe place to make that demand on you, has a major problem with their story. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 11, 2023 21:45:31 GMT
Official status of Rwanda: 'Rwanda is generally safe and crime levels are relatively low, but street crime does occur.'so, notting hill then With a potentially unstable and corrupt government. Oh yeah you're right. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 11, 2023 22:09:56 GMT
Just a question why do you think that specific allowance was put into the convention and protocol. Do you think it was to allow people free movement across the globe or was there another reason? I think its not about the refugee, its about the countries that border the refugee. So it is an allowance that the refugee may escape danger and pass through a safe country to avoid overcrowding that safe country. What about overcrowding a safe country far from the place of danger, should that be a consideration? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 11, 2023 22:16:11 GMT
I think its not about the refugee, its about the countries that border the refugee. So it is an allowance that the refugee may escape danger and pass through a safe country to avoid overcrowding that safe country. What about overcrowding a safe country far from the place of danger, should that be a consideration? I believe so. France, Germany and Italy have taken many more refugees that the UK. Even Greece, and Turkey kicks us into a cocked hat. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 11, 2023 22:24:58 GMT
So it is an allowance that the refugee may escape danger and pass through a safe country to avoid overcrowding that safe country. What about overcrowding a safe country far from the place of danger, should that be a consideration? I believe so. France, Germany and Italy have taken many more refugees that the UK. Even Greece, and Turkey kicks us into a cocked hat. That will be the ones who have family already in said countries with a network created for them, for the same reason the ones who want to rock up on UK shores, they couldn't care less if we tell them they are illegals, they just need to get here then let the overwhelmed civil servants and the money grabbing lawyers and charities do the rest, they already know the correct lies. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 11, 2023 22:25:44 GMT
So it is an allowance that the refugee may escape danger and pass through a safe country to avoid overcrowding that safe country. What about overcrowding a safe country far from the place of danger, should that be a consideration? I believe so. France, Germany and Italy have taken many more refugees that the UK. Even Greece, and Turkey kicks us into a cocked hat. Yet we are far more densely populated than the countries you cite - if you only count total numbers its like saying Luxembourg should take the same amount of refugees as Germany. totally daft |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 22:26:17 GMT
"I need your protection from a danger" implies that you are in some kind of danger. If you are not in danger, you are making a fraudulent appeal for that protection. Even if what you are doing is legal, it is still fraud. I'm struggling to believe you are this stupid. I often find myself thinking that about half the forum members, lol |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 12, 2023 4:00:15 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Dec 12, 2023 7:41:03 GMT
I believe so. France, Germany and Italy have taken many more refugees that the UK. Even Greece, and Turkey kicks us into a cocked hat. Yet we are far more densely populated than the countries you cite - if you only count total numbers its like saying Luxembourg should take the same amount of refugees as Germany. totally daft I'll tell you what's daft. That the government invited millions and millions of foreigners to live here and then you blame a few thousand refugees for our overcrowded country. |
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