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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 10, 2023 17:23:27 GMT
Shouldn't cost that much. Tents are already in stock.  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 10, 2023 17:33:41 GMT
Shouldn't cost that much. Tents are already in stock. When you think about it, these illegal migrants are coming to the UK declaring themselves victims of war or threats of persecution, so when they are offered sanctuary in the form of accommodation like ex-army barracks or Bibby Stockholm, they turn their noses up at it, they want nothing less that 4* Hotels, and a view to local council properties.
We can only conclude that the places they have left must have been of a high standard, why else would they turn their noses up at perfectly acceptable adequate accommodation.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 10, 2023 17:41:55 GMT
there's plenty of uninhabited Scottish islands. I'd guess that these "uninhabited Scottish islands" are uninhabited for a reason. And just how much would you envisage spending on installing the infrastructure required to make such places habitable? Many Scottish Islands are uninhabited because no one wants to live there and there's no work. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 10, 2023 17:44:49 GMT
This is how our fathers and grandfathers were accommodated during their National Service.   |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2023 18:17:37 GMT
This is how our fathers and grandfathers were accommodated during their National Service. It's a lot more recent than that - I was in a 15 man barracks room in the 1970's. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2023 18:20:27 GMT
Well as Jenrick pointed out today - the Government are not serious about the policy. Well as they aren't up for it, what do you think of my idea? I wonder whether we should look at Rwanda version 2. Asylum seekers arriving in the UK are moved to camps (Nothing inhumane, but nothing fancy) They are then offered a choice. 1, Clearly prove your right to asylum and get the right to stay. Proof of persecution, torture, death. 2, Stay in the camp until its safe for you to return home. (Basically forever) 3, Accept refugee status and resettlement in Rwanda and travel willingly. Well it would be an improvement on what we have now but I can't see it surviving contact with Human Rights Laws - the same reason that the current proposals for Rwanda will fail. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 18:42:32 GMT
there's plenty of uninhabited Scottish islands. I'd guess that these "uninhabited Scottish islands" are uninhabited for a reason. And just how much would you envisage spending on installing the infrastructure required to make such places habitable? I agree, if we were going to build infrastructure on some far flung uninhabited island for thousands of illegals the costs would become prohibitive, it would run into £billions. But, very basic accommodation, see Dans pic, would serve two purposes. It would be cheap, and serve as a deterrent. And before you say we cant put immigrants/illegals call them what you will, in tents; the UN do, the EU do, and the French government do. So why shouldn't we? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 10, 2023 18:45:47 GMT
This is how our fathers and grandfathers were accommodated during their National Service. It's a lot more recent than that - I was in a 15 man barracks room in the 1970's. I wasn't far off in the 1990s... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 18:50:38 GMT
It's a lot more recent than that - I was in a 15 man barracks room in the 1970's. I agree, In 1977 I was in an eight man barrack room with zero privacy. In the early 80's I was in a six man room in a block with no curtains carpets or soft furnishings of any sort, and the OC wondered why we used to spend weekends getting shitfaced in some bar downtown. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 10, 2023 19:19:23 GMT
Well as they aren't up for it, what do you think of my idea? I wonder whether we should look at Rwanda version 2. Asylum seekers arriving in the UK are moved to camps (Nothing inhumane, but nothing fancy) They are then offered a choice. 1, Clearly prove your right to asylum and get the right to stay. Proof of persecution, torture, death. 2, Stay in the camp until its safe for you to return home. (Basically forever) 3, Accept refugee status and resettlement in Rwanda and travel willingly. Well it would be an improvement on what we have now but I can't see it surviving contact with Human Rights Laws - the same reason that the current proposals for Rwanda will fail. My understanding of the issue with the Rwanda plan is two fold. The first is refoulment (That Rwanda will expel problem migrants to unsafe countries) The second is that Rwanda's legal system is not as robust as that in the West. If a person goes willingly to Rwanda and requests refugee status both these issues are circumvented. At least that is my understanding. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 10, 2023 19:20:59 GMT
It's a lot more recent than that - I was in a 15 man barracks room in the 1970's. I agree, In 1977 I was in an eight man barrack room with zero privacy. In the early 80's I was in a six man room in a block with no curtains carpets or soft furnishings of any sort, and the OC wondered why we used to spend weekends getting shitfaced in some bar downtown. Are you still locked up there Red. Or did they let you leave? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 10, 2023 19:32:42 GMT
It's a lot more recent than that - I was in a 15 man barracks room in the 1970's. But the Wallys amongst us will bleat that accommodating vulnerable asylum seekers in 'camps' like these is a breach of their human rights and no different to what the Nazis did in Auschwitz.
I seem to recall reading an article recently which complained that requiring them share rooms in 3 and 4 star hotels is 'inhumane'.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 10, 2023 19:38:32 GMT
I agree, In 1977 I was in an eight man barrack room with zero privacy. In the early 80's I was in a six man room in a block with no curtains carpets or soft furnishings of any sort, and the OC wondered why we used to spend weekends getting shitfaced in some bar downtown. Are you still locked up there Red. Or did they let you leave? Locked up where? I was locked up in a few places, lol happy days. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Dec 10, 2023 20:32:03 GMT
It's a lot more recent than that - I was in a 15 man barracks room in the 1970's. But the Wallys amongst us will bleat that accommodating vulnerable asylum seekers in 'camps' like these is a breach of their human rights and no different to what the Nazis did in Auschwitz.
Don't be stupid. The Nazis imprisoned people in Auschwitz in order to murder them. There is no comparison. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 10, 2023 20:36:39 GMT
Liz Kendall refuses 5 times to say whether Labour will ask Rwanda for the money back.
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