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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 16:15:59 GMT
What information are you claiming has been omitted and by whom. I really don't get the point you are trying to make.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 6, 2023 17:23:28 GMT
Well, when I hear stories like this, it's usually gangs isn't it? Drug gangs.
Scum.
And a lack of description of the suspects, suggests it's not PC to talk about them.
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 18:37:05 GMT
Or that there aren’t any suspects yet
Or that they know who they are but haven’t found them
Don’t become a Rackham Vinny
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Post by Vinny on Dec 6, 2023 22:05:45 GMT
Look, I remember when the double murder of Charlene Ellis and Letisha Shakespeare was news. And the suspects were black. When convicted, it turned out one of the killers was Marcus Ellis, the half brother of Charlene.
Blacks, whites, we're all just people, and some of us are scum. But in order to CATCH scum, it sometimes requires the public to help the Police.
How can the public help the Police if they don't fucking know who the suspects are?
Now we can either hurtle towards cultural relativism and PC insanity, or we can regard everyone as human fucking being and treat all suspects the same way.
Rackham enough for you?
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 22:26:59 GMT
Yeah pretty much equally moronic Vinny.
When the police need the public’s help they ask for it. If they are looking for a specific suspect or to identify a specific suspect they may well issue a photograph (far more effective than a description).
But often that doesn’t help their investigation or they don’t know who the suspect is. And then they won’t.
Nothing to do with this forums race paranoia.
Don’t allow yourself to become as paranoid as our friend Mr Rackham Vinny
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2023 22:37:23 GMT
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 22:43:38 GMT
You never did say what information had been omitted and by who?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2023 22:52:12 GMT
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 23:16:19 GMT
So in the context of this incident what are you trying to say
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Post by Vinny on Dec 7, 2023 0:57:08 GMT
What is paranoid about treating all suspects the same way? Are we a country of cowards, or a country of confident non racist liberally minded people who don't give a shit what colour someone is so long as they obey the law and don't cause trouble.
Drug gangs can be black, white. What matters is what they're doing.
What they look like only matters as far as catching them and locking up the actual criminals.
If a gangster is white, like the twats from Liverpool who killed the little girl, the woman in a pub, and the woman in her home, then that matters in order to identify and convict.
There's nothing racist in this argument.
There is something racist about treating criminals from different ethnicities differently to each other.
Criminals are criminals are criminals.
Treat them all the same.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 7, 2023 0:57:10 GMT
What's your first impression on seeing a headline like this one? First thoughts : Saddo’s mouthpiece will be along any minute now with a propaganda spin Comical Ali would be proud of.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 7, 2023 1:36:32 GMT
OK I'll kick off then. Resident virtue-signallers will no doubt say 'Our first thoughts are with the family of the victims and their loved ones' while students of modern urban life will be thinking 'Hmmm Hackney eh. Gun crime. What odds on the ethnicity of both the victims and the perps?" Ok i will bite. It’s Hackney. Which as i suspect you want someone to say has more than the country’s fair share of black people. Possibly because there might be an unequal wealth distribution leading to a bit of an overabundance of whites in the million pound minimum housing brackets around the Chiltern hills … So i’d be thinking victims are PROBABLY black m. The problem i have with perpetrators though is there are so many options The FOUR murders done in the drug dealers paradise 250 yards from where i sit, the block of flats halfway between here and my daughter and granddaughter’s place, were a mux of white, black, asian and mulatto. The killers were white. The dealer murdered for his designer man bag two miles from here was white, snd set upon by a rainbow coalition of thugs The coke addled shithead who broke into my daughter’s neighbour’s maisonette on the first floor directly above my daughter’s ground floor maisonette, snd who then proceeded to pretty violently rape said eight and a half month pregnant neighbour before gutting her with a freezer knife, making sure in doing so he filleted her unborn daughter and then torched the bed with the bodies lying on it in hope of erasing the evidence, and either not caring the inferno would kill the downstairs neighbour was very, very anglo saxon as were his victims. The drug dealer living about half a mile from THAT carnage was black, but the people sent to slaughter him in a contract killing were asian. A pity they got the wrong addresses and macheted a mulatto. I could go on, all the way back to the brutal slaughter and vivisection of a known very anglo saxon homosexual fence of stolen goods by a vietnamese or was it thai illegal immigrant about thirty five years ago. In short where there is a sink estate there is violence and that applies from john o groats to lands end and the wirral to the wash I recall the shooting of a young girl after her mother unwisely went to the door when two drug dealers were having a dispute and a shootout. I think they were all white, were they not So to get to the point, over the forty years i have lived in the second most expensive part of South Wales’ fourth largest hell hole i have ducked, dodged and been called upon to rescue my own family from murderous violence with knives, guns and all sorts, and i have PERSONALLY had to resort to taking out three burglars with a shovel, a pickaxe handle and the three foot iron bar they tried to use on me. That last one i pursued to the rivet where he jumped to his death. The other two i merely maimed to the point they had no functioning limbs to attack me with then called the plod. The ONLY thing i actually thought when seeing the headline was ‘here we fucking go again’ And for the record, several newspapers now suggest the dead woman was not the intended victim and the two other family members injured by gunshots but not critically knew their attackers. But that merely suggests shared criminal enterprise not skin tone or DNA
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 10:07:50 GMT
B-4 both your Daily Mail reports are pre Brexit. What jurisdiction does the EU human rights bods have over the British press now? I dare say, none, but I wouldn't be surprised if we are still self censoring with the same result. Even the Ireland stabbing or attempted beheading has gone quiet.
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Post by dappy on Dec 7, 2023 10:54:17 GMT
The Irish stabbing incident is presumably quiet because the assailant is in a coma and the police can't talk to him yet. What else do you want the police or the media to say?
In the Hackney case, the police are seemingly trying to establish what has happened here for what motive and by who. What more do you expect them to say?
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 7, 2023 11:21:45 GMT
The Irish stabbing incident is presumably quiet because the assailant is in a coma and the police can't talk to him yet. What else do you want the police or the media to say? In the Hackney case, the police are seemingly trying to establish what has happened here for what motive and by who. What more do you expect them to say? But we do know now who the victims were. I'm well on the way to collecting my winnings.
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