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Post by BvL on Dec 10, 2023 17:41:14 GMT
The thing is these days it is rare to see someone do something all right. That little fish shop was doing it all right and running a good business. I the customer am free to spend my money as I like. I see it as rewarding those who do what I want. I used to use a scam mobile provider called O2 which charged me £1.50 for trying to phone a mobile which was switched on and within a few hundred yards, but the system decided it could not make a connection and replayed a message that I was charged this money for. The phone failed me and ripped me off over 100x the going rate. I'm the kind of guy who hates these bastards who run companies like O2. It's like it is against my religion to pay crooks, and I would rather go without the convenience (?) if I feel it is rewarding them to steal. I had the complete opposite feeling in the shop that impressed me. I felt it was good to reward them, and like you pay a tip in a restaurant if the service is good, I honour good work. Anyway, this is one principle out of the book of capitalism and another one is paying for expertise. A capitalist firm adds value to their products by expertly aiding the customer to match requirements to market availability. This is a big potential cause of inefficient where a bad firm supplies the customer with a product that does not suit their requirements and then it does not matter how great the product is intrinsically, if it won't do the job that it is required to do, and then the other way this can manifest is a product that over specifies on requirements. I mean from the perspective of the firm supplying ill-fitting products this is more often than not deliberate dishonesty with firms using unintelligent systems of sales targets which is not the same thing as overall financial efficiency targets. Sure you could argue the firm will make more sales and so more money, but the customer will get stung, and if the customer is intelligent the customer will remember the firm that did that and blacklist them to punish them. Through the capitalist customer blacklisting a dishonest firm it is saying effectively, you ripped me once so it is more probably you will rip me again. It often does not stop there because the ultra-capitalist customer mind also thinks I'll warn all my friends of this dodgy firm so they never get bitten in the first place and that increases financial efficiency a great deal more. A bent firm would simply be unable to survive in that economic climate and go bust. They would free up potentially good staff to go and get employed by a firm which believes in financial efficiency and treats their customers in the same way as if they were in their shoes, hence building a lasting relationship in good trade. So you tell me most people can't afford fine food which is in fact a great deal healthier than the stuff laced with hazardous chemicals. The burning question is why. Having explained the principles of capitalism above you need to ask, are these poor people following the rule book or not. If not then that's your answer. By the way, I do personally agree with you regarding Aldi. I would say they are more closely practicing capitalism than the previous dominant supermarkets we have had. They are benefitting from it, but its the long game they have played. Yes I would give them my custom, and to a capitalist your custom is the greatest of compliments. It means more than words alone can ever mean. People who have regularly used their services are people who have more money now than they would have had if they had gone to alternatives and have noticed by now, so at long last they spread the good news as you have done. They say reputation takes a lifetime to earn and a moment to destroy. That may well be mostly true. And that fish shop does a good trade by selling quality fish at a price to those able and willing to pay it. Such as yourself. It is satisfying a lucrative niche. But if you imagine that all those millions who cant afford it are doing something wrong then you dont understand what it means to be struggling. Because anyone struggling financially would not be able to afford to buy from your fish shop except very rarely. It is not about them not following the rules at all. Both sellers and buyers are following the rules. And they are quite simple really. Those who are struggling financially will shop around for the cheapest prices. Others who have comfortable incomes and money to spare are more likely to shop around for best quality. As you seem to be doing, though it seems you are struggling to understand the fact that millions cannot afford to. Supermarkets and shops will tend to thrive by recognising a demand or a niche and supplying it. Your fish shop thrives because it sells top quality fish at a price for those who can afford it. But the market for cheap food is probably larger than ever and thats where the greater demand is. Lidl and Aldi are building business empires by recognising the demand for cheaper food and supplying it, with most of the big chains having to try and compete on price. To put it even more simply, the rules of capitalism are entirely supply and demand. Where a demand exists someone will supply it. And the poorer the buyer the more his purchase decisions are based upon lowest cost, creating a demand for cheap food. The richer the buyer the more they are based upon the highest quality, creating a demand at the other end for top quality. Under these immutable rules the only way that demand for high quality food will grow and demand for cheap food will diminish, is if a substantially greater proportion of the population were to become substantially better off than they currently are. How that can be achieved is another debate altogether In statistics people often have a kind of Normal distribution. This means the market in the middle is the largest density of people so you need bigger shops. In a perfect free market you would expect to see the same sort of distribution in shop-size as the small ones serve the minor demands. The perfect free market is like a very intelligent computer which computes the optimum size, location, range of stock, level of service and so on. It is a hard problem to solve and you will find most mathematical problems are by definition impossible to solve deterministically, i.e. algebra and so on, so this class of problem can only be solved using successive approximation. The free market is such a computational machine. You get a trade-off with computations where numerical solutions are fast to compute but lack in range of problems that can be solved to those systems which take longer to solve but can solve just about anything. It's the latter form the free market is. We forget this though. The effects of what people do by not following market rules causes everyone to suffer. When you have a sub-optimal market then everyone's wealth is lower. It's rather paradoxical in fact. First of all realise we need to analyse it as a system. We tend in the West to think capitalism and socialism are opposites, but for capitalism to work properly you need a free market, and to get a free market you need perfect knowledge of the market including perfect knowledge of every scam being played in the market. If we were all individual actors on strict self-interest we would not achieve this perfect knowledge very fast. A scam played on one customer can be played again and again on every other individual customer who passes that shop. If you then add in socialism, which we will define as acting for the common good, when we see a scam we would inform others because by doing this (much as Jesus set the example of walking the walk and doing good himself) we would see that as hoping others would do the same for us when we need to know, i.e. the unselfish approach. This has the effect of creating honesty and goodwill. So really capitalism and socialism are two sides of a wider system that should work together, except as we know in UK Cloud 9 they fight each other. In your society where everyone is broke, you will also see everyone is scamming everyone else. The guy who can't afford healthy food is the guy who does the job selling one of his peers a thing for his car that never needed replacing to hit his sales target at the firm who employs the local girls to design manipulative PR material to fool the customer or deflect calls at a call centre. Then there is there is his mate who works at the insurance company insuring against boilers blowing up since boilers blowing up has become a common problem since the firm supplying the boiler manufacture lied about the maximum rating of their product on the spec sheet... Next to him is the guy training to be a doctor as the chemicals in the food and factories are causing illness to rise and more people are claiming disability benefits since they can't work anymore after the firm did not look after their staff and so on and so on. You end up really having to say, if they insist on doing what they do then poverty is what they should expect and even deserve. Just one final point of the good fish shop. I can usually tell if someone is honest. It's a kind of sixth sense of a capitalist! The people running the shop did come across as straight and decent. You may argue is it the chicken or is it the egg, but as you know Hampstead is a rich area. Actually it is quite near to where the Jews live. They tend to be intelligent and appreciate straight dealing. Many Jews are also involved in law as balancing stuff is a legal objective too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 19:47:48 GMT
That may well be mostly true. And that fish shop does a good trade by selling quality fish at a price to those able and willing to pay it. Such as yourself. It is satisfying a lucrative niche. But if you imagine that all those millions who cant afford it are doing something wrong then you dont understand what it means to be struggling. Because anyone struggling financially would not be able to afford to buy from your fish shop except very rarely. It is not about them not following the rules at all. Both sellers and buyers are following the rules. And they are quite simple really. Those who are struggling financially will shop around for the cheapest prices. Others who have comfortable incomes and money to spare are more likely to shop around for best quality. As you seem to be doing, though it seems you are struggling to understand the fact that millions cannot afford to. Supermarkets and shops will tend to thrive by recognising a demand or a niche and supplying it. Your fish shop thrives because it sells top quality fish at a price for those who can afford it. But the market for cheap food is probably larger than ever and thats where the greater demand is. Lidl and Aldi are building business empires by recognising the demand for cheaper food and supplying it, with most of the big chains having to try and compete on price. To put it even more simply, the rules of capitalism are entirely supply and demand. Where a demand exists someone will supply it. And the poorer the buyer the more his purchase decisions are based upon lowest cost, creating a demand for cheap food. The richer the buyer the more they are based upon the highest quality, creating a demand at the other end for top quality. Under these immutable rules the only way that demand for high quality food will grow and demand for cheap food will diminish, is if a substantially greater proportion of the population were to become substantially better off than they currently are. How that can be achieved is another debate altogether In statistics people often have a kind of Normal distribution. This means the market in the middle is the largest density of people so you need bigger shops. In a perfect free market you would expect to see the same sort of distribution in shop-size as the small ones serve the minor demands. The perfect free market is like a very intelligent computer which computes the optimum size, location, range of stock, level of service and so on. It is a hard problem to solve and you will find most mathematical problems are by definition impossible to solve deterministically, i.e. algebra and so on, so this class of problem can only be solved using successive approximation. The free market is such a computational machine. You get a trade-off with computations where numerical solutions are fast to compute but lack in range of problems that can be solved to those systems which take longer to solve but can solve just about anything. It's the latter form the free market is. We forget this though. The effects of what people do by not following market rules causes everyone to suffer. When you have a sub-optimal market then everyone's wealth is lower. It's rather paradoxical in fact. First of all realise we need to analyse it as a system. We tend in the West to think capitalism and socialism are opposites, but for capitalism to work properly you need a free market, and to get a free market you need perfect knowledge of the market including perfect knowledge of every scam being played in the market. If we were all individual actors on strict self-interest we would not achieve this perfect knowledge very fast. A scam played on one customer can be played again and again on every other individual customer who passes that shop. If you then add in socialism, which we will define as acting for the common good, when we see a scam we would inform others because by doing this (much as Jesus set the example of walking the walk and doing good himself) we would see that as hoping others would do the same for us when we need to know, i.e. the unselfish approach. This has the effect of creating honesty and goodwill. So really capitalism and socialism are two sides of a wider system that should work together, except as we know in UK Cloud 9 they fight each other. In your society where everyone is broke, you will also see everyone is scamming everyone else. The guy who can't afford healthy food is the guy who does the job selling one of his peers a thing for his car that never needed replacing to hit his sales target at the firm who employs the local girls to design manipulative PR material to fool the customer or deflect calls at a call centre. Then there is there is his mate who works at the insurance company insuring against boilers blowing up since boilers blowing up has become a common problem since the firm supplying the boiler manufacture lied about the maximum rating of their product on the spec sheet... Next to him is the guy training to be a doctor as the chemicals in the food and factories are causing illness to rise and more people are claiming disability benefits since they can't work anymore after the firm did not look after their staff and so on and so on. You end up really having to say, if they insist on doing what they do then poverty is what they should expect and even deserve. Just one final point of the good fish shop. I can usually tell if someone is honest. It's a kind of sixth sense of a capitalist! The people running the shop did come across as straight and decent. You may argue is it the chicken or is it the egg, but as you know Hampstead is a rich area. Actually it is quite near to where the Jews live. They tend to be intelligent and appreciate straight dealing. Many Jews are also involved in law as balancing stuff is a legal objective too. You seem to be labouring under the illusion that not all that many people are struggling but that is not really born out anymore with the cost of living crisis. Certainly a significant minority are wealthy enough not to care how much their food costs, but a much larger number are poor enough for price to be the main consideration. The market is responding to demand, hence the exponential rise of stores specialising in budget food, and the ever greater tendency of the big boys like Tesco to try and compete on price much more than on quality. There simply are not enough customers whose primary concern is quality to sustain a giant like Tesco. Other much smaller chains like Waitrose and Marks and Spencer are going for the higher end market. This market simply isnt big enough to sustain the likes of Tesco, so it has no choice but to try and compete with the budget stores on price. Fact is those for whom price is the main consideration greatly outnumber those wealthy enough to buy the best at any price. And there are fewer in the middle than there used to be because high housing costs and the cost of living crisis in general, along with stagnant wages for many, mean that many more people are struggling financially than there used to be. The way the market is going reflects that, with a huge growth in market share for the budget stores whilst most of the big chains are focussing ever more on competing with them on price in order to try and maintain market share. The top ten percent of the population of course have continued to prosper disproportionately, insuring that those catering for the high end market continue to hold their own. But the trends in the market are a clear indication of - and result of - ever more people needing to buy cheap food to get by. You may not like that reality - especially as you seem to be one of the fortunate ones not having to live it and thus out of touch with the struggling masses - but the market trends tell their own story. |
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Post by BvL on Dec 10, 2023 20:53:35 GMT
In statistics people often have a kind of Normal distribution. This means the market in the middle is the largest density of people so you need bigger shops. In a perfect free market you would expect to see the same sort of distribution in shop-size as the small ones serve the minor demands. The perfect free market is like a very intelligent computer which computes the optimum size, location, range of stock, level of service and so on. It is a hard problem to solve and you will find most mathematical problems are by definition impossible to solve deterministically, i.e. algebra and so on, so this class of problem can only be solved using successive approximation. The free market is such a computational machine. You get a trade-off with computations where numerical solutions are fast to compute but lack in range of problems that can be solved to those systems which take longer to solve but can solve just about anything. It's the latter form the free market is. We forget this though. The effects of what people do by not following market rules causes everyone to suffer. When you have a sub-optimal market then everyone's wealth is lower. It's rather paradoxical in fact. First of all realise we need to analyse it as a system. We tend in the West to think capitalism and socialism are opposites, but for capitalism to work properly you need a free market, and to get a free market you need perfect knowledge of the market including perfect knowledge of every scam being played in the market. If we were all individual actors on strict self-interest we would not achieve this perfect knowledge very fast. A scam played on one customer can be played again and again on every other individual customer who passes that shop. If you then add in socialism, which we will define as acting for the common good, when we see a scam we would inform others because by doing this (much as Jesus set the example of walking the walk and doing good himself) we would see that as hoping others would do the same for us when we need to know, i.e. the unselfish approach. This has the effect of creating honesty and goodwill. So really capitalism and socialism are two sides of a wider system that should work together, except as we know in UK Cloud 9 they fight each other. In your society where everyone is broke, you will also see everyone is scamming everyone else. The guy who can't afford healthy food is the guy who does the job selling one of his peers a thing for his car that never needed replacing to hit his sales target at the firm who employs the local girls to design manipulative PR material to fool the customer or deflect calls at a call centre. Then there is there is his mate who works at the insurance company insuring against boilers blowing up since boilers blowing up has become a common problem since the firm supplying the boiler manufacture lied about the maximum rating of their product on the spec sheet... Next to him is the guy training to be a doctor as the chemicals in the food and factories are causing illness to rise and more people are claiming disability benefits since they can't work anymore after the firm did not look after their staff and so on and so on. You end up really having to say, if they insist on doing what they do then poverty is what they should expect and even deserve. Just one final point of the good fish shop. I can usually tell if someone is honest. It's a kind of sixth sense of a capitalist! The people running the shop did come across as straight and decent. You may argue is it the chicken or is it the egg, but as you know Hampstead is a rich area. Actually it is quite near to where the Jews live. They tend to be intelligent and appreciate straight dealing. Many Jews are also involved in law as balancing stuff is a legal objective too. You seem to be labouring under the illusion that not all that many people are struggling but that is not really born out anymore with the cost of living crisis. Certainly a significant minority are wealthy enough not to care how much their food costs, but a much larger number are poor enough for price to be the main consideration. The market is responding to demand, hence the exponential rise of stores specialising in budget food, and the ever greater tendency of the big boys like Tesco to try and compete on price much more than on quality. There simply are not enough customers whose primary concern is quality to sustain a giant like Tesco. Other much smaller chains like Waitrose and Marks and Spencer are going for the higher end market. This market simply isnt big enough to sustain the likes of Tesco, so it has no choice but to try and compete with the budget stores on price. Fact is those for whom price is the main consideration greatly outnumber those wealthy enough to buy the best at any price. And there are fewer in the middle than there used to be because high housing costs and the cost of living crisis in general, along with stagnant wages for many, mean that many more people are struggling financially than there used to be. The way the market is going reflects that, with a huge growth in market share for the budget stores whilst most of the big chains are focussing ever more on competing with them on price in order to try and maintain market share. The top ten percent of the population of course have continued to prosper disproportionately, insuring that those catering for the high end market continue to hold their own. But the trends in the market are a clear indication of - and result of - ever more people needing to buy cheap food to get by. You may not like that reality - especially as you seem to be one of the fortunate ones not having to live it and thus out of touch with the struggling masses - but the market trends tell their own story. I'm saying those who understand economics are the rich ones, or at least the ones who do not worry about money. This is because they have it all under control. They pay more attention to the markets, and by doing that they understand them better and prosper because of it. Those who are short of money more often than not waste it. I see a lot of gambling shops in rundown areas. I see them buy a ton of stupid raffle tickets and a pile of cheap and unhealthy food. They behave like animals, fight each other, vandalise stuff, shoplift, mug people, don't look after property, go on strike, do not stick to agreements and contracts. They cost more to administer and they have to pay hundreds of percent annually on loans from dodgy firms. I've lived in a variety of areas in different parts o the country so can compare one to another. The rich areas are full of intelligent mild mannered people. I mean I would love to teach anyone who is broke the principles of getting more bang for your bucks without screwing anyone else. Capitalists hate waste. They are fanatics about it, so everything their business uses is maxed out and recycled if possible. It's why the Chinese are so far ahead. It is a tough job to create a factory here which competes with their efficiency if we measure it in man hours per widget manufactured. You might wonder why HS2 is costing so much. Well I have a friend who knows someone working on it and he tells me that these extremely well paid drivers, paid far more than many doctors in fact, they sit around doing nothing for most of the day due to crap coordination. Everyone likes to blame someone else and few look at really what they are doing and whether it is a good idea. My personal experience is with a few simple adjustments to your habits you can save tons of money and get either the same or even better than you would have done if you were not thinking. There are many habits which people form by copying bad habits. No doubt these were brainwashed into them by clever advert psychologists. One final thought, have you ever tried to cancel a gym membership? I hear it's a tricky and convoluted process. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 22:22:06 GMT
You seem to be labouring under the illusion that not all that many people are struggling but that is not really born out anymore with the cost of living crisis. Certainly a significant minority are wealthy enough not to care how much their food costs, but a much larger number are poor enough for price to be the main consideration. The market is responding to demand, hence the exponential rise of stores specialising in budget food, and the ever greater tendency of the big boys like Tesco to try and compete on price much more than on quality. There simply are not enough customers whose primary concern is quality to sustain a giant like Tesco. Other much smaller chains like Waitrose and Marks and Spencer are going for the higher end market. This market simply isnt big enough to sustain the likes of Tesco, so it has no choice but to try and compete with the budget stores on price. Fact is those for whom price is the main consideration greatly outnumber those wealthy enough to buy the best at any price. And there are fewer in the middle than there used to be because high housing costs and the cost of living crisis in general, along with stagnant wages for many, mean that many more people are struggling financially than there used to be. The way the market is going reflects that, with a huge growth in market share for the budget stores whilst most of the big chains are focussing ever more on competing with them on price in order to try and maintain market share. The top ten percent of the population of course have continued to prosper disproportionately, insuring that those catering for the high end market continue to hold their own. But the trends in the market are a clear indication of - and result of - ever more people needing to buy cheap food to get by. You may not like that reality - especially as you seem to be one of the fortunate ones not having to live it and thus out of touch with the struggling masses - but the market trends tell their own story. I'm saying those who understand economics are the rich ones, or at least the ones who do not worry about money. This is because they have it all under control. They pay more attention to the markets, and by doing that they understand them better and prosper because of it. Those who are short of money more often than not waste it. I see a lot of gambling shops in rundown areas. I see them buy a ton of stupid raffle tickets and a pile of cheap and unhealthy food. They behave like animals, fight each other, vandalise stuff, shoplift, mug people, don't look after property, go on strike, do not stick to agreements and contracts. They cost more to administer and they have to pay hundreds of percent annually on loans from dodgy firms. I've lived in a variety of areas in different parts o the country so can compare one to another. The rich areas are full of intelligent mild mannered people. I mean I would love to teach anyone who is broke the principles of getting more bang for your bucks without screwing anyone else. Capitalists hate waste. They are fanatics about it, so everything their business uses is maxed out and recycled if possible. It's why the Chinese are so far ahead. It is a tough job to create a factory here which competes with their efficiency if we measure it in man hours per widget manufactured. You might wonder why HS2 is costing so much. Well I have a friend who knows someone working on it and he tells me that these extremely well paid drivers, paid far more than many doctors in fact, they sit around doing nothing for most of the day due to crap coordination. Everyone likes to blame someone else and few look at really what they are doing and whether it is a good idea. My personal experience is with a few simple adjustments to your habits you can save tons of money and get either the same or even better than you would have done if you were not thinking. There are many habits which people form by copying bad habits. No doubt these were brainwashed into them by clever advert psychologists. One final thought, have you ever tried to cancel a gym membership? I hear it's a tricky and convoluted process. You speak with the ignorance of the well heeled towards the poor. You think people are poor because they waste money and people are rich because they don't? What utter smug pig ignorance. People are poor because their pay is crap, their bills have doubled or tripled and the rent has gone through the roof, more recently also mortgage costs. Yeah some of the poor might buy the odd lottery ticket, yet you begrudge them even that. And who said all working people are poor? Which appears to be one straw man you have invented to make an issue out of. Certainly not me. But yes, many are poor. And you show the kind of ignorance about them typical of your apparent ilk. |
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Post by BvL on Dec 10, 2023 23:25:41 GMT
I'm saying those who understand economics are the rich ones, or at least the ones who do not worry about money. This is because they have it all under control. They pay more attention to the markets, and by doing that they understand them better and prosper because of it. Those who are short of money more often than not waste it. I see a lot of gambling shops in rundown areas. I see them buy a ton of stupid raffle tickets and a pile of cheap and unhealthy food. They behave like animals, fight each other, vandalise stuff, shoplift, mug people, don't look after property, go on strike, do not stick to agreements and contracts. They cost more to administer and they have to pay hundreds of percent annually on loans from dodgy firms. I've lived in a variety of areas in different parts o the country so can compare one to another. The rich areas are full of intelligent mild mannered people. I mean I would love to teach anyone who is broke the principles of getting more bang for your bucks without screwing anyone else. Capitalists hate waste. They are fanatics about it, so everything their business uses is maxed out and recycled if possible. It's why the Chinese are so far ahead. It is a tough job to create a factory here which competes with their efficiency if we measure it in man hours per widget manufactured. You might wonder why HS2 is costing so much. Well I have a friend who knows someone working on it and he tells me that these extremely well paid drivers, paid far more than many doctors in fact, they sit around doing nothing for most of the day due to crap coordination. Everyone likes to blame someone else and few look at really what they are doing and whether it is a good idea. My personal experience is with a few simple adjustments to your habits you can save tons of money and get either the same or even better than you would have done if you were not thinking. There are many habits which people form by copying bad habits. No doubt these were brainwashed into them by clever advert psychologists. One final thought, have you ever tried to cancel a gym membership? I hear it's a tricky and convoluted process. You speak with the ignorance of the well heeled towards the poor. You think people are poor because they waste money and people are rich because they don't? What utter smug pig ignorance. People are poor because their pay is crap, their bills have doubled or tripled and the rent has gone through the roof, more recently also mortgage costs. Yeah some of the poor might buy the odd lottery ticket, yet you begrudge them even that. And who said all working people are poor? Which appears to be one straw man you have invented to make an issue out of. Certainly not me. But yes, many are poor. And you show the kind of ignorance about them typical of your apparent ilk. I've been around enough to know what goes on in this country and a lot of it is not at all pretty. I'm giving you my real life experiences and I'm telling the truth, even though the truth might be uncomfortable to swallow. People who do well traditionally had good morals where they are widely trusted. Yes I'm aware you are paraded the million pound good for nothing celeb nuts. That's the exception, not the rule. I also know their are crooks in the papers too, but most people are hard-working and conscientious. This is why they get the work, because they are the ones who everyone goes to when they can't figure out a difficult problem, and the reason they can figure out difficult problems is they worked hard at school and handed in all their homework, not disrupting the lessons and playing truant. Now please bear in mind this has really nothing do with me except what I have seen, which I report to you. What I see does not really make me who I am. I'm entitled to draw reasonable conclusions based on the evidence. I'm visiting an area which is often in the top five richest towns in the country. You can search high and low here and you will not find one bit of graffiti. Go to a city like Bristol and it is everywhere. So why do poor areas in the UK destroy their environment? You don't get this graffiti in the poorest areas in China, nor any vandalism. Stuff is old over in these parts, but everything is put to good use so the quality of life is good for the money they have, and they are happy. By the way, I just found the receipt for the fish shop I was using as an example earlier. Here's their website so you can take a look. www.lapetitepoissonnerie.com/fishmongerIt was actually not that much more expensive. I guess what we bought was + 30% on the supermarket price with your loyalty card, but you would not get this stuff in Aldi. I do rate Aldi steaks though. Well done for that to Mr Aldi. Another tip from capitalism is pay more attention to good examples. Don't dwell in the shit but be inspired by the good. Learn from the masters. |
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