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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 19:31:04 GMT
I took someone to the hospital for an appointment today and after had to pay for the car park at a computerised machine. People in front were putting a ticket in being told to pay and trying to tap their debit cards and nothing happened. Technology at its best? Off they toddled to the enquiries desk. When the queue died down it was my turn and the machine wanted £2.20 so I put 2x£1 coins and 2x10p coins in the slot and seconds later it was all done. Easy when you know how! Cash was king.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 8, 2023 21:47:02 GMT
You have my sympathy. When my Dad had a heart attack, he had to wait over a year for a quadruple bypass op. In the intervening time he was in and out of hospital like a yo yo. But, he survived thank goodness. With my Dad it was an electrolyte issue so he has an ICD fitted yet he has also had a mild I guess stroke and his memory is really bad, he asks who the photos are of on his mantlepiece - grandchildren! i hope to god something takes me out before i get that bad …..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 21:54:05 GMT
With my Dad it was an electrolyte issue so he has an ICD fitted yet he has also had a mild I guess stroke and his memory is really bad, he asks who the photos are of on his mantlepiece - grandchildren! i hope to god something takes me out before i get that bad ….. Me too. And since I have Parkinsons, if I live long enough I know what the end looks like for me - helpless in a hospice going gaga with a feeding tube down my throat. I hope for a peaceful death before then.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 8, 2023 22:16:35 GMT
i hope to god something takes me out before i get that bad ….. Me too. And since I have Parkinsons, if I live long enough I know what the end looks like for me - helpless in a hospice going gaga with a feeding tube down my throat. I hope for a peaceful death before then. I think he has mild Parkinsons too he shuffles rather than walks.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 8, 2023 22:17:53 GMT
With my Dad it was an electrolyte issue so he has an ICD fitted yet he has also had a mild I guess stroke and his memory is really bad, he asks who the photos are of on his mantlepiece - grandchildren! i hope to god something takes me out before i get that bad ….. Yep I will probably go to Dignitas yet with Dad as long as the tv is on and the coffee keeps coming..........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 21:52:37 GMT
Me too. And since I have Parkinsons, if I live long enough I know what the end looks like for me - helpless in a hospice going gaga with a feeding tube down my throat. I hope for a peaceful death before then. I think he has mild Parkinsons too he shuffles rather than walks. It starts off mild and can remain so for many years but will in time get worse if it is parkinsons. The first symptom to manifest itself is usually tremors, especially in the hands. But you can easily find out all the symptoms via a google search. Has he been diagnosed? If not he should get it checked out because the symptoms can be treated.
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Post by BVL on Dec 9, 2023 23:39:51 GMT
There is a minority of the population that actually likes faffing about with their special cards, for rest of us it's just another layer of pointless tedium and delay. Compete on price and quality, not by trapping people in your own artificial currency There are a number of reasons why Lidl and Aldi are so much faster. than the likes of Tesco and Morrisons. But a biggie is that they have no loyalty cards for customers to faff about with and consequently no discount vouchers, and especially nothing put on customers phones. Much of the faffing about at checkouts is due to people looking for cards and coupons, especially on their pigging phones. And the problem is that there are so many big discounts on certain items that customers will spend as long as it takes to figure out what they have no idea how to do. And yet even that is a con. Because the discounts that were once offered to everyone are only now available to loyalty card holders. Which encourages ever more faffing about. Anyway, I know what goes on at supermarkets from the inside and could type loads but it really needs a new thread which will have to wait until I have more time off. I think you have explained an example of a more general problem. Capitalism works on gearing everything so it maximises value for money. That is the only target it chases, but the flexibility of it is that it leaves the customer alone to define what value is. Value can be utilitarian, and it can be ideological, like environmental considerations, indeed a mixture of many things, but what it is not is the value of being conned, that is, saying I would not have bought it if I had known so and so about the product, so if you include these undesirable, the system of the market will fail as it chases after negatives. The game being played here with these cards is two things. You have the restricting the customer's freedom, as per charging them more for selecting their preference in value, but also the reason for it is to collect data pertaining to the individual so as to psychologically profile them so they can be more easily manipulated against their will. One way to frame this is to say if the firm made less money for those customers on the scheme than they would have done if they were not then there is no incentive to create such a scheme, so if the scheme were successfully implemented(i.e profitable), those using it would end up paying more. This is certainly a con then because it is advertised for the express reason that it saves you money. The chances are it will persuade you to waste more food. That is not green!
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Post by BVL on Dec 10, 2023 0:06:38 GMT
Oh OK. I have never seen one being used at my local Aldi. Though they have installed some of those infernal self service machines. No idea why but they seem to be used so much more sensibly by customers than at, for example, Tesco. People only use them if they have small amounts of shopping and know what they are doing. Anyone with a big load goes through a manned checkout and are much less deterred by queues than they would be at Tesco. And that seems to be because service is much quicker, with customers encouraged by the very set up - little room for shopping once scanned plus counter provided for shoppers to pack after they have paid, plus super fast scanning =- encourages those who cant keep up to just bung it back in their trolleys and pack after they have paid. And it works. Also the ultra show customers who think both they and everyone queueing behind them have all the time in the world tend to avoid Aldi and Lidl on principle because they refuse to be rushed. Which actually suits these stores perfectly. Because Aldi and Lidle have worked out that the faster you serve customers - the more cans of this or that you scan per hour - the more cost effective and cheaper are staffing costs. They have built their business model on this and because staff productivity is so much higher, they can afford both higher pay for staff to attract the best workers and lower prices for customers. So most of the slow ones who believe in taking their time on principle going to their competitors instead and thus slowing down the opposition even more, just makes it even harder for Tesco, etc to compete. Aldi have worked out that time is money and that increased staff productivity pays for both better wages and cheaper prices, so everything is geared for speed at their checkouts. So although they will never admit this and indeed would deny it, they dont actually want the slow ones who find it necessary for endless faffing about. It makes them even more competitive if these slow ones go elsewhere and thereby slow down and add to the costs of the competition. And a little inside information. Checkout staff have their performance continually monitored, including idle time with no customers, throughput which measures how much is going through your till, waiting time which measures how long you are waiting for customers to pay, and scanning rate which measures how many items you scan per hour. This latter only counts the time from when you scan the first item until you press the total button. And to illustrate the speed differences, Tesco has a scanning rate target for staff of 1100 items per hour. Aldi's scanning rate target for staff is 1600 items per hour. If these targets are being met, Aldi staff are scanning 3 items for every 2 Tesco staff are scanning. And that does not even begin to include the time many customers spend faffing about at Tesco once they have finally packed. So the Aldi and Lidl business model relies on encouraging customers to get their asses in gear as the price of faster service and cheaper prices, whilst those who cant or wont are deterred by the emphasis on speed, and slow down the competition instead. It is as brutal as that. It works for them. But it is not good for the elderly or infirm which is coming to us all at some point. I have not seen them at Aldi, i have seen them at Lidl People use them in other shops because they have no alternative I tend not to use other shops for that reason. The only thing i do not buy from a discounter is meat, because numerous small shops and two mobile lorries have sprung up around here to sell meat and meat related items and in that way i think Newport is returning to the retail practice of the days of my early childhood, service from a human, and i am all for it. While their produce exceeds the quality of the supermarket - and it does, for seemingly little extra as large retailer prices rocket, i’m happy to keep them in business I just got back from Hampstead. Nice place is Hampstead. There are so many specialist food shops. One such shop just did fish. The fish was expensive, but I noticed none of it was discounted, so that indicated to me it was worth a punt. It turned out to be the most divine fish I had come across in many years and often only available in the best restaurants, so for what we paid we were well happy. The rule of thumb here is if you select those who do not play these games then you can be pretty sure you are dealing with a firm that competes on the product. The owners certainly knew their fish. I can't say the same for those supermarket buyers. at said to me it was worth a punt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 9:38:08 GMT
I have not seen them at Aldi, i have seen them at Lidl People use them in other shops because they have no alternative I tend not to use other shops for that reason. The only thing i do not buy from a discounter is meat, because numerous small shops and two mobile lorries have sprung up around here to sell meat and meat related items and in that way i think Newport is returning to the retail practice of the days of my early childhood, service from a human, and i am all for it. While their produce exceeds the quality of the supermarket - and it does, for seemingly little extra as large retailer prices rocket, i’m happy to keep them in business I just got back from Hampstead. Nice place is Hampstead. There are so many specialist food shops. One such shop just did fish. The fish was expensive, but I noticed none of it was discounted, so that indicated to me it was worth a punt. It turned out to be the most divine fish I had come across in many years and often only available in the best restaurants, so for what we paid we were well happy. The rule of thumb here is if you select those who do not play these games then you can be pretty sure you are dealing with a firm that competes on the product. The owners certainly knew their fish. I can't say the same for those supermarket buyers. at said to me it was worth a punt. To be fair though, what your post fails to acknowledge is that for many millions of people, paying through the nose for high quality fish or any other food product except only very rarely is out of the question due to financial constraints. In these tough times half the population are struggling to make ends meet. So out of necessity, price has to be the top consideration for most people. This is another reason for the growing success of Lidl and Aldi, and why most of the big chains are trying to compete with them on price as much as they can. There is a market for high price, high quality food, but it is a limited one, and not large enough to sustain the big chains. If and when we prosper so much as a society that more people can afford to pay more for top quality food without concerning themselves overly about cost, the top end of the market will expand. But when people are struggling to pay the bills and put food on the table and only one financial setback away from the foodbank, or struggling under the burden of ever growing debt, they are never going to shell out a tenner for a single fillet of fish, when that same money can be used to feed a family for several days if they instead spend it on cheap shit. As ever in life quality comes at a price. And as ever many people cannot afford that price. Especially these days. Sad but true.
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Post by Orac on Dec 10, 2023 10:04:34 GMT
There is high quality food (which is expensive) and then there is adequate quality food. the sort of groceries served up in supermarkets are adequate.
However, people are overwhelmingly eating convenience food. You can see this with the relative size of the sections in supermarkets.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 10, 2023 11:23:43 GMT
There is a link with Parkinson's and pesticides and my Dad used sprays in the garden and DDT to kill ants in the 80's.
In the 2020s he still had a pack........
He hasn't been diagnosed with it though shuffling is one of the symptoms and he struggles putting on ties.
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Post by BvL on Dec 10, 2023 15:14:56 GMT
I just got back from Hampstead. Nice place is Hampstead. There are so many specialist food shops. One such shop just did fish. The fish was expensive, but I noticed none of it was discounted, so that indicated to me it was worth a punt. It turned out to be the most divine fish I had come across in many years and often only available in the best restaurants, so for what we paid we were well happy. The rule of thumb here is if you select those who do not play these games then you can be pretty sure you are dealing with a firm that competes on the product. The owners certainly knew their fish. I can't say the same for those supermarket buyers. at said to me it was worth a punt. To be fair though, what your post fails to acknowledge is that for many millions of people, paying through the nose for high quality fish or any other food product except only very rarely is out of the question due to financial constraints. In these tough times half the population are struggling to make ends meet. So out of necessity, price has to be the top consideration for most people. This is another reason for the growing success of Lidl and Aldi, and why most of the big chains are trying to compete with them on price as much as they can. There is a market for high price, high quality food, but it is a limited one, and not large enough to sustain the big chains. If and when we prosper so much as a society that more people can afford to pay more for top quality food without concerning themselves overly about cost, the top end of the market will expand. But when people are struggling to pay the bills and put food on the table and only one financial setback away from the foodbank, or struggling under the burden of ever growing debt, they are never going to shell out a tenner for a single fillet of fish, when that same money can be used to feed a family for several days if they instead spend it on cheap shit. As ever in life quality comes at a price. And as ever many people cannot afford that price. Especially these days. Sad but true. The thing is these days it is rare to see someone do something all right. That little fish shop was doing it all right and running a good business. I the customer am free to spend my money as I like. I see it as rewarding those who do what I want. I used to use a scam mobile provider called O2 which charged me £1.50 for trying to phone a mobile which was switched on and within a few hundred yards, but the system decided it could not make a connection and replayed a message that I was charged this money for. The phone failed me and ripped me off over 100x the going rate. I'm the kind of guy who hates these bastards who run companies like O2. It's like it is against my religion to pay crooks, and I would rather go without the convenience (?) if I feel it is rewarding them to steal. I had the complete opposite feeling in the shop that impressed me. I felt it was good to reward them, and like you pay a tip in a restaurant if the service is good, I honour good work. Anyway, this is one principle out of the book of capitalism and another one is paying for expertise. A capitalist firm adds value to their products by expertly aiding the customer to match requirements to market availability. This is a big potential cause of inefficient where a bad firm supplies the customer with a product that does not suit their requirements and then it does not matter how great the product is intrinsically, if it won't do the job that it is required to do, and then the other way this can manifest is a product that over specifies on requirements. I mean from the perspective of the firm supplying ill-fitting products this is more often than not deliberate dishonesty with firms using unintelligent systems of sales targets which is not the same thing as overall financial efficiency targets. Sure you could argue the firm will make more sales and so more money, but the customer will get stung, and if the customer is intelligent the customer will remember the firm that did that and blacklist them to punish them. Through the capitalist customer blacklisting a dishonest firm it is saying effectively, you ripped me once so it is more probably you will rip me again. It often does not stop there because the ultra-capitalist customer mind also thinks I'll warn all my friends of this dodgy firm so they never get bitten in the first place and that increases financial efficiency a great deal more. A bent firm would simply be unable to survive in that economic climate and go bust. They would free up potentially good staff to go and get employed by a firm which believes in financial efficiency and treats their customers in the same way as if they were in their shoes, hence building a lasting relationship in good trade. So you tell me most people can't afford fine food which is in fact a great deal healthier than the stuff laced with hazardous chemicals. The burning question is why. Having explained the principles of capitalism above you need to ask, are these poor people following the rule book or not. If not then that's your answer. By the way, I do personally agree with you regarding Aldi. I would say they are more closely practicing capitalism than the previous dominant supermarkets we have had. They are benefitting from it, but its the long game they have played. Yes I would give them my custom, and to a capitalist your custom is the greatest of compliments. It means more than words alone can ever mean. People who have regularly used their services are people who have more money now than they would have had if they had gone to alternatives and have noticed by now, so at long last they spread the good news as you have done. They say reputation takes a lifetime to earn and a moment to destroy.
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Post by BvL on Dec 10, 2023 15:40:00 GMT
There is high quality food (which is expensive) and then there is adequate quality food. the sort of groceries served up in supermarkets are adequate. However, people are overwhelmingly eating convenience food. You can see this with the relative size of the sections in supermarkets. You would not be saying that if you had a spare gas chromatography machine in your garage and stuck a piece of typical Norwegian salmon in it out of interest before opting to eat it or not. I can't say I've ever done this either, but had I had a spare machine I most likely would have done. You can't tell by the colour. The colour is artificial. They feed the fish a food colouring additive which improves colour and texture so it is impossible to assess quality by visual inspection. By the way, here's a joke. You could rely on government Health and Safety inspectors.
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Post by Orac on Dec 10, 2023 15:56:09 GMT
There is high quality food (which is expensive) and then there is adequate quality food. the sort of groceries served up in supermarkets are adequate. However, people are overwhelmingly eating convenience food. You can see this with the relative size of the sections in supermarkets. You would not be saying that if you had a spare gas chromatography machine in your garage and stuck a piece of typical Norwegian salmon in it out of interest before opting to eat it or not. I can't say I've ever done this either, but had I had a spare machine I most likely would have done. You can't tell by the colour. The colour is artificial. They feed the fish a food colouring additive which improves colour and texture so it is impossible to assess quality by visual inspection. By the way, here's a joke. You could rely on government Health and Safety inspectors. It's all a matter of the relative. The food you can find in supermarket is typically fine - so long as you steer significantly away from convenience 'foods' and opt instead to buy actual food. Yes - high quality food is better, but many people are at the moment eating stuff that isn't even really food at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 16:05:19 GMT
To be fair though, what your post fails to acknowledge is that for many millions of people, paying through the nose for high quality fish or any other food product except only very rarely is out of the question due to financial constraints. In these tough times half the population are struggling to make ends meet. So out of necessity, price has to be the top consideration for most people. This is another reason for the growing success of Lidl and Aldi, and why most of the big chains are trying to compete with them on price as much as they can. There is a market for high price, high quality food, but it is a limited one, and not large enough to sustain the big chains. If and when we prosper so much as a society that more people can afford to pay more for top quality food without concerning themselves overly about cost, the top end of the market will expand. But when people are struggling to pay the bills and put food on the table and only one financial setback away from the foodbank, or struggling under the burden of ever growing debt, they are never going to shell out a tenner for a single fillet of fish, when that same money can be used to feed a family for several days if they instead spend it on cheap shit. As ever in life quality comes at a price. And as ever many people cannot afford that price. Especially these days. Sad but true. The thing is these days it is rare to see someone do something all right. That little fish shop was doing it all right and running a good business. I the customer am free to spend my money as I like. I see it as rewarding those who do what I want. I used to use a scam mobile provider called O2 which charged me £1.50 for trying to phone a mobile which was switched on and within a few hundred yards, but the system decided it could not make a connection and replayed a message that I was charged this money for. The phone failed me and ripped me off over 100x the going rate. I'm the kind of guy who hates these bastards who run companies like O2. It's like it is against my religion to pay crooks, and I would rather go without the convenience (?) if I feel it is rewarding them to steal. I had the complete opposite feeling in the shop that impressed me. I felt it was good to reward them, and like you pay a tip in a restaurant if the service is good, I honour good work. Anyway, this is one principle out of the book of capitalism and another one is paying for expertise. A capitalist firm adds value to their products by expertly aiding the customer to match requirements to market availability. This is a big potential cause of inefficient where a bad firm supplies the customer with a product that does not suit their requirements and then it does not matter how great the product is intrinsically, if it won't do the job that it is required to do, and then the other way this can manifest is a product that over specifies on requirements. I mean from the perspective of the firm supplying ill-fitting products this is more often than not deliberate dishonesty with firms using unintelligent systems of sales targets which is not the same thing as overall financial efficiency targets. Sure you could argue the firm will make more sales and so more money, but the customer will get stung, and if the customer is intelligent the customer will remember the firm that did that and blacklist them to punish them. Through the capitalist customer blacklisting a dishonest firm it is saying effectively, you ripped me once so it is more probably you will rip me again. It often does not stop there because the ultra-capitalist customer mind also thinks I'll warn all my friends of this dodgy firm so they never get bitten in the first place and that increases financial efficiency a great deal more. A bent firm would simply be unable to survive in that economic climate and go bust. They would free up potentially good staff to go and get employed by a firm which believes in financial efficiency and treats their customers in the same way as if they were in their shoes, hence building a lasting relationship in good trade. So you tell me most people can't afford fine food which is in fact a great deal healthier than the stuff laced with hazardous chemicals. The burning question is why. Having explained the principles of capitalism above you need to ask, are these poor people following the rule book or not. If not then that's your answer. By the way, I do personally agree with you regarding Aldi. I would say they are more closely practicing capitalism than the previous dominant supermarkets we have had. They are benefitting from it, but its the long game they have played. Yes I would give them my custom, and to a capitalist your custom is the greatest of compliments. It means more than words alone can ever mean. People who have regularly used their services are people who have more money now than they would have had if they had gone to alternatives and have noticed by now, so at long last they spread the good news as you have done. They say reputation takes a lifetime to earn and a moment to destroy. That may well be mostly true. And that fish shop does a good trade by selling quality fish at a price to those able and willing to pay it. Such as yourself. It is satisfying a lucrative niche. But if you imagine that all those millions who cant afford it are doing something wrong then you dont understand what it means to be struggling. Because anyone struggling financially would not be able to afford to buy from your fish shop except very rarely. It is not about them not following the rules at all. Both sellers and buyers are following the rules. And they are quite simple really. Those who are struggling financially will shop around for the cheapest prices. Others who have comfortable incomes and money to spare are more likely to shop around for best quality. As you seem to be doing, though it seems you are struggling to understand the fact that millions cannot afford to. Supermarkets and shops will tend to thrive by recognising a demand or a niche and supplying it. Your fish shop thrives because it sells top quality fish at a price for those who can afford it. But the market for cheap food is probably larger than ever and thats where the greater demand is. Lidl and Aldi are building business empires by recognising the demand for cheaper food and supplying it, with most of the big chains having to try and compete on price. To put it even more simply, the rules of capitalism are entirely supply and demand. Where a demand exists someone will supply it. And the poorer the buyer the more his purchase decisions are based upon lowest cost, creating a demand for cheap food. The richer the buyer the more they are based upon the highest quality, creating a demand at the other end for top quality. Under these immutable rules the only way that demand for high quality food will grow and demand for cheap food will diminish, is if a substantially greater proportion of the population were to become substantially better off than they currently are. How that can be achieved is another debate altogether
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