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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2023 22:06:28 GMT
Yes - if you focus on the time between Q4 2019 and Q1 2021. However Brexit has affected the economy for much longer than that highly specific timing. What is the objection with using the complete time from the Referendum until now? You were given the more recent figures that showed UK failure to that point. You have more recent figures than Q3 2023? - how?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2023 22:07:37 GMT
You can leave the EU if you dont like their rules - in fact that is exactly what we did.  Oh dear, is there any point in trying to have a reasonable debate with you? Leaving the EU is STILL IN PROGRESS. No - we have left. We have a trade agreement that is signed and delivered. Not sure what more you are expecting. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 10, 2023 23:33:53 GMT
What the remoaners were expecting was our economic demise and our penitent return on our knees.
Like all their predictions, wrong.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 11, 2023 0:32:45 GMT
You can leave the EU if you dont like their rules - in fact that is exactly what we did. Oh dear, is there any point in trying to have a reasonable debate with you? Leaving the EU is STILL IN PROGRESS. The UK, well not all of it, 'Great Britain' left the EU in 2020. Sadly, with the connivance of weak pro EU politicians, the EU are hanging onto Northern Ireland. But make no mistake, Great Britain regained her sovereignty and independence on 31 Jan 2020. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 11, 2023 9:20:03 GMT
Oh dear, is there any point in trying to have a reasonable debate with you? Leaving the EU is STILL IN PROGRESS. The UK, well not all of it, 'Great Britain' left the EU in 2020. Sadly, with the connivance of weak pro EU politicians, the EU are hanging onto Northern Ireland. But make no mistake, Great Britain regained her sovereignty and independence on 31 Jan 2020. A perfect example of misunderstanding fact and turning it into opinion. Where else would you put the border between the EU and your third country in order to differentiate trade and customs rules, when the Good Friday Agreement which has kept the peace would be destroyed? Northern Ireland is still part of the UK and that is where the border between the EU and the UK was decided. Of course even if you check contents in NI which are allowed through, it is childs play to switch contents somewhere between the UK and the EU and allow illegal goods into the EU. The EU has taken a huge chance that the UK will be honest. And we all know about that, dont we? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2023 11:06:28 GMT
Oh dear, is there any point in trying to have a reasonable debate with you? Leaving the EU is STILL IN PROGRESS. No - we have left. We have a trade agreement that is signed and delivered. Not sure what more you are expecting. Are claiming that the separation of the EU and the UK is 100% completed? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2023 11:14:04 GMT
You were given the more recent figures that showed UK failure to that point. You have more recent figures than Q3 2023? - how? I never claimed that. I showed the failure recorded in 2021 and it showed the UK trailing behind 'top' EU countries. Indicating that improvement by the UK GDP 2022/23 would be largely about the UK playing catch up. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 11, 2023 13:00:51 GMT
You have more recent figures than Q3 2023? - how? I never claimed that. I showed the failure recorded in 2021 and it showed the UK trailing behind 'top' EU countries. Indicating that improvement by the UK GDP 2022/23 would be largely about the UK playing catch up. Yes - and we are now at the end of 2023. As I have shown, the total growth since 2016 up until now has been no worse than the other major economies in Europe. Any attempt to show otherwise is simply sour grapes. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2023 18:18:16 GMT
Oh dear, is there any point in trying to have a reasonable debate with you? Leaving the EU is STILL IN PROGRESS. The UK, well not all of it, 'Great Britain' left the EU in 2020. Sadly, with the connivance of weak pro EU politicians, the EU are hanging onto Northern Ireland. But make no mistake, Great Britain regained her sovereignty and independence on 31 Jan 2020. Yes the UK no longer has to follow UN legal requirements, but Brexit will not be complete until the Northern Irish problem is resolved. Boris NEVER had an answer to that problem he just muddled his way along keeping his fingers crossed. That there would be a problem around NI membership of the EU was recognised BEFORE the referendum. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2023 18:22:45 GMT
I never claimed that. I showed the failure recorded in 2021 and it showed the UK trailing behind 'top' EU countries. Indicating that improvement by the UK GDP 2022/23 would be largely about the UK playing catch up. Yes - and we are now at the end of 2023. As I have shown, the total growth since 2016 up until now has been no worse than the other major economies in Europe. Any attempt to show otherwise is simply sour grapes. And I have shown that the UK growth being "no worse" doesn't take into account that the UK had some catching up to do. Any attempt to ignore that makes no sense. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 11, 2023 18:39:33 GMT
Yes - and we are now at the end of 2023. As I have shown, the total growth since 2016 up until now has been no worse than the other major economies in Europe. Any attempt to show otherwise is simply sour grapes. And I have shown that the UK growth being "no worse" doesn't take into account that the UK had some catching up to do. Any attempt to ignore that makes no sense. I'm not ignoring anything - the whole pointy of taking the entire timeline from the referendum to the present day is that it balances out up's and down's in particular years. Do you think you get more accurate information by picking specific years rather than looking at the whole? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 12, 2023 9:50:00 GMT
What the remoaners were expecting was our economic demise and our penitent return on our knees. Like all their predictions, wrong. IMO most of those who voted to remain were hoping that something good just might come about after Outers won that sad and dishonest referendum. Still waiting to see even an inkling of the Outers dream world. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 12, 2023 9:54:57 GMT
What the remoaners were expecting was our economic demise and our penitent return on our knees. Like all their predictions, wrong. IMO most of those who voted to remain were hoping that something good just might come about after Outers won that sad and dishonest referendum. Still waiting to see even an inkling of the Outers dream world. So what exactly is it that you are missing about the EU?
How has it personally effected your life?
How has it impacted on the UK?
What is it we are all missing>?
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Post by see2 on Dec 12, 2023 9:57:52 GMT
And I have shown that the UK growth being "no worse" doesn't take into account that the UK had some catching up to do. Any attempt to ignore that makes no sense. I'm not ignoring anything - the whole pointy of taking the entire timeline from the referendum to the present day is that it balances out up's and down's in particular years. Do you think you get more accurate information by picking specific years rather than looking at the whole? Your post is a desperate attempt to ignore information that you don't like. I got accurate information of the sad failure that existed in 2021. Are you suggesting that the mess in 2021 happened overnight or do you think that it was the result of failure in the previous years? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 12, 2023 10:01:54 GMT
IMO most of those who voted to remain were hoping that something good just might come about after Outers won that sad and dishonest referendum. Still waiting to see even an inkling of the Outers dream world. So what exactly is it that you are missing about the EU?
How has it personally effected your life?
How has it impacted on the UK?
What is it we are all missing>?
Attempting to spin my post around in an attempt to put me on the spot is just your way of avoiding the reality of my post. |
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