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Post by buccaneer on Dec 10, 2023 10:32:15 GMT
I do. I even have another poster supporting my claim remembering your crowing. This means you are a liar and a dishonest poster. This also means you're not worth the time and effort to debate with because of your penchant for lying. Viva Brexit! So you cant find any post that proves your accusation. Frankly i would be delighted if you didnt reply to my posts. It would increase the standard of this forum immeasurably. Two other posters also recall your BS. Frankly, if you are truly 'fed up' and didn't post your lies on this forum the standard would increase immensely. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 11:09:18 GMT
So you were lying. And your website doesn't open. In Terms of membership of countries, the EU is the largest group. surely going by the amount of countries it would be the WTO? AFAIA, the WTO is a facilitator not a fixed group as recognised in terms of the EU and other trading groups. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 11:12:19 GMT
Which market has more countries trading in it than the EU? The global market. And we don't have to lash out 9 billion to join. The 'global market' is not a combined group. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 11:18:06 GMT
Being a member of the largest trading group in the world would not have helped. GDP estimates published by the OECD in Paris show that between the second quarter of 2016 and the most recent figure for the third quarter 2023 the British economy grew by a paltry 9.1%. ... Compared with Spain where growth over the same period was 8.3%. France was 5.5%, Italy 5.3%. German GDP rose by just 6.2%. The economy that we needed to be a member of was the USA who grew by 18.2%.. Open up the graph on the website below. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57427997 |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 10, 2023 11:19:56 GMT
Export stats speak for themselves.
So glad we're out.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2023 11:23:16 GMT
surely going by the amount of countries it would be the WTO? AFAIA, the WTO is a facilitator not a fixed group as recognised in terms of the EU and other trading groups. It is a group who countries choose to join and follow their rules - sounds exactly like the EU |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 11:24:02 GMT
Export stats speak for themselves. So glad we're out. I guess they may help the UK to catch up, but lets see how they work out in the long run. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2023 11:25:27 GMT
Being a member of the largest trading group in the world would not have helped. GDP estimates published by the OECD in Paris show that between the second quarter of 2016 and the most recent figure for the third quarter 2023 the British economy grew by a paltry 9.1%. ... Compared with Spain where growth over the same period was 8.3%. France was 5.5%, Italy 5.3%. German GDP rose by just 6.2%. The economy that we needed to be a member of was the USA who grew by 18.2%.. Open up the graph on the website below. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57427997Cherry picking specific years tells you nothing - the economic performance that matters is from the Referendum in 2016 to now. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 11:34:50 GMT
AFAIA, the WTO is a facilitator not a fixed group as recognised in terms of the EU and other trading groups. It is a group who countries choose to join and follow their rules - sounds exactly like the EU So there is no escape from rules that take control  They facilitate some exporting and some importing trading that takes place, that one can take or leave at any time creating some instability. Beyond trading it is an empty shell, so not comparable with the EU. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 11:41:31 GMT
Cherry picking specific years tells you nothing - the economic performance that matters is from the Referendum in 2016 to now. Oh come on. The graph clearly shows the UK trailing behind some comparable EU countries, so the claims of progress by the UK since 2021 has been a case of catching up. Just posting single cases of improving GDP or lack of improvement doesn't give an informative picture of the reality. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2023 11:47:25 GMT
Cherry picking specific years tells you nothing - the economic performance that matters is from the Referendum in 2016 to now. Oh come on. The graph clearly shows the UK trailing behind some comparable EU countries, so the claims of progress by the UK since 2021 has been a case of catching up. Just posting single cases of improving GDP or lack of improvement doesn't give an informative picture of the reality. Yes - if you focus on the time between Q4 2019 and Q1 2021. However Brexit has affected the economy for much longer than that highly specific timing. What is the objection with using the complete time from the Referendum until now? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 10, 2023 11:48:28 GMT
It is a group who countries choose to join and follow their rules - sounds exactly like the EU So there is no escape from rules that take control They facilitate some exporting and some importing trading that takes place, that one can take or leave at any time creating some instability. Beyond trading it is an empty shell, so not comparable with the EU. You can leave the EU if you dont like their rules - in fact that is exactly what we did.  |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 20:14:55 GMT
Oh come on. The graph clearly shows the UK trailing behind some comparable EU countries, so the claims of progress by the UK since 2021 has been a case of catching up. Just posting single cases of improving GDP or lack of improvement doesn't give an informative picture of the reality. Yes - if you focus on the time between Q4 2019 and Q1 2021. However Brexit has affected the economy for much longer than that highly specific timing. What is the objection with using the complete time from the Referendum until now? You were given the more recent figures that showed UK failure to that point. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 20:17:31 GMT
So there is no escape from rules that take control They facilitate some exporting and some importing trading that takes place, that one can take or leave at any time creating some instability. Beyond trading it is an empty shell, so not comparable with the EU. You can leave the EU if you dont like their rules - in fact that is exactly what we did. Oh dear, is there any point in trying to have a reasonable debate with you? Leaving the EU is STILL IN PROGRESS. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 20:31:02 GMT
You can leave the EU if you dont like their rules - in fact that is exactly what we did. Oh dear, is there any point in trying to have a reasonable debate with you? Leaving the EU is STILL IN PROGRESS. __""No more fraud, no more pretending you're appealing,” former deputy director-general Alan Wolff told a WTO conference last month, urging countries to hold off on fresh appeals from 2024, when WTO members have pledged to address the issue." "The WTO has warned a "polycrisis" of pandemic, war in Ukraine and inflation is sapping faith in globalisation. The result is a growing disregard for global trading rules among WTO members." |
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