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Post by sheepy on Dec 1, 2023 13:28:16 GMT
But that does not answer why it was necessary to become a terrorist and murder a pregnant woman waiting for a bus.. nobody (I hope) is denying that Hamas are terrorists (except the BBC of course). I have t seen a single person on here deny Hamas are terrorists,do you deny that people on the West Bank are being killed (including many kids) by some Israelis with a similar mindset? Sanctions are on the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 13:31:50 GMT
An occupied people has a right to resistance. UN. Was it necessary to kill a pregnant woman, no, was it necessary to shoot an 8 year old in the head, no. Of course you have certain rights to resist, but does that include indiscriminate killing?. You can justify any atrocity with that view. Who are we talking about Israel or Hamas, I see very little difference. Given they have the right to resist how should they do that? |
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Post by wapentake on Dec 1, 2023 14:20:21 GMT
I have t seen a single person on here deny Hamas are terrorists,do you deny that people on the West Bank are being killed (including many kids) by some Israelis with a similar mindset? That’s fair enough then,but the narrative on here (not just you) is that it all appears one sided that it’s the Palestinians fault for everything |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 1, 2023 14:26:19 GMT
That’s fair enough then,but the narrative on here (not just you) is that it all appears one sided that it’s the Palestinians fault for everything Speaking personally I think the Palestine people are between a rock and a hard place, being lead by Hamas a terrorist group the Palestinians are frightened to speak out for fear of reprisals, this is what happens when terrorists run a country.
I think the Israeli government are well aware of this, and for that reason believe once they rid Palestine of Hamas these people will be free, the Palestinians have become victims of circumstance, damned if they do and damned if they don't, not a nice place to be.
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Post by Orac on Dec 1, 2023 14:29:45 GMT
The way out of it would be for the people of Gaza to make it clear that they need to liberated from Hamas.
They don't get to sit there in silence and allow their resources to be used in murder and claim immunity from all the consequences that might come from others protecting themselves.
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Post by wapentake on Dec 1, 2023 14:36:49 GMT
I was watching QT on tv last night and this came up and Andrew Neil was on saying there is no solution,whilst I understand his reasoning it’s pitiful to see how ordinary people are taking the brunt of this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 15:47:22 GMT
The way out of it would be for the people of Gaza to make it clear that they need to liberated from Hamas. They don't get to sit there in silence and allow their resources to be used in murder and claim immunity from all the consequences that might come from others protecting themselves. Their resources?? You do know it's a collection of refugee camps blockaded by Israel don't you? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 15:48:31 GMT
I was watching QT on tv last night and this came up and Andrew Neil was on saying there is no solution,whilst I understand his reasoning it’s pitiful to see how ordinary people are taking the brunt of this. I seem to remember there was 'no solution' to the IRA in NI but one was eventually found. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 1, 2023 16:09:26 GMT
The way out of it would be for the people of Gaza to make it clear that they need to liberated from Hamas. They don't get to sit there in silence and allow their resources to be used in murder and claim immunity from all the consequences that might come from others protecting themselves. Their resources?? You do know it's a collection of refugee camps blockaded by Israel don't you? Even if you live in cardboard box, you shouldn't let people launch murders that employ it. There really are two choices here - The people of Gaza are being oppressed by Hamas, in which they need to ask for external help to get rid of them. Or They are to some significant degree complicit as a group. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 1, 2023 16:54:05 GMT
Of course you have certain rights to resist, but does that include indiscriminate killing?. You can justify any atrocity with that view. Who are we talking about Israel or Hamas, I see very little difference. Given they have the right to resist how should they do that? How about engaging in the peace process?. Committing atrocity after atrocity has not achieved much over the past 75 years. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 1, 2023 16:55:21 GMT
That’s fair enough then,but the narrative on here (not just you) is that it all appears one sided that it’s the Palestinians fault for everything Well it's obviously not the Palestinians fault for everything - however that being said it is the Palestinians who have rejected every offer of peace since 1948. |
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Post by Ripley on Dec 1, 2023 17:09:46 GMT
That’s fair enough then,but the narrative on here (not just you) is that it all appears one sided that it’s the Palestinians fault for everything Well it's obviously not the Palestinians fault for everything - however that being said it is the Palestinians who have rejected every offer of peace since 1948. That is water under the proverbial bridge and Peace is no longer on offer any more. Peace is clearly now off the table, and now it is Netanyahu who is vowing to prevent a two state solution. "Embattled Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told members of his Likud Party that only he can thwart the emergence of a fully independent Palestinian state, directly opposing President Joe Biden’s plan to resurrect the two-state solution in the wake of the catastrophic Israeli bombing of Gaza. Quoted in Israeli media, Netanyahu told legislators: “I am the only one who will prevent a Palestinian state in Gaza and [the West Bank] after the war.” According to the Jewish Chronicle Netanyahu doubled down on his position and dismissed peace talks with Palestinians altogether. The Israeli Prime Minister is reported saying that if re-elected he would not allow the establishment of a Palestinian state and argued that entering peace talks in the hope of achieving a two-state solution would result in a threat to security.""www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231128-netanyahu-only-i-can-block-a-palestinian-state/ |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 1, 2023 17:29:28 GMT
Well it's obviously not the Palestinians fault for everything - however that being said it is the Palestinians who have rejected every offer of peace since 1948. That is water under the proverbial bridge and Peace is no longer on offer any more. Indeed - and why do you think that is? Might 75 years of experience have something to do with it? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 1, 2023 17:33:27 GMT
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Post by Ripley on Dec 1, 2023 17:51:08 GMT
That is water under the proverbial bridge and Peace is no longer on offer any more. Indeed - and why do you think that is? Might 75 years of experience have something to do with it? Most certainly, but the current situation is that no-one wants peace. The enmity is so deep now that each side just wants to annihilate the other and nothing else will satisfy them. |
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