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Post by sandypine on Nov 30, 2023 10:08:40 GMT
You will lfind that is exactly the point he is making but the colour is largely irrelevant it is the level of immigration that dilutes the collective ownership/overlordship/democratic will of those whose lands it is. Being enforced to allow others to come and join in is what has happened that in any other historical event is seen as just plain wrong. The colour doesn't seem to be irrelevant to him,far from it. That is your perception and the time honoured way to try and ignore the details of the debate. Powell when interviewed on Frost made exactly that point some 55 years ago that the colour did not matter if it was a million Germans the point would still be relevant. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 10:10:19 GMT
We are disappearing (if at all) because we have less children than the sustainable population needs. That might in part be due to expensive housing, but that's due to artificially restricting building land, not immigration. I pick up that it's also down to some people (possibly a small number, but still far more than previous decades) simply not wanting the hassle of kids getting in the way of a lifestyle. Both of my sons (30 & 26), their respective partners, and a small number of their friends, are examples of this. Obviously, this can change with age.. (Which is fine by me - but I still let them know that I'm in absolutely no hurry to enter grandparenthood..) Yeah I know some couples like that too, parenting isn't for everyone and I respect people who recognise that and don't have kids they're not prepared/equipped to care for, definitely preferable to people having kids just because it's expected of them and then end up regretting it. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 10:11:13 GMT
The colour doesn't seem to be irrelevant to him,far from it. That is your perception and the time honoured way to try and ignore the details of the debate. Powell when interviewed on Frost made exactly that point some 55 years ago that the colour did not matter if it was a million Germans the point would still be relevant. He's specifically mentioned race numerous times. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 30, 2023 10:15:00 GMT
But say a celebrity can refuse to give a white man an autograph because he is a white man but cannot refuse to give a black man an autograph because he is a black man. That means the act of another towards you in law is dependant on your rights. That is identical to the right not to be discriminated against becasue of your colour which is exactly how that right is worded in the UNHDR. It is due to that right that we have the race laws as they are supposed to ensure that that right is enshrined in law. It would be best not to be idiotic and try and deny that. I'm not aware of any laws relating to autographs. It's up to the celebrity if they want to give someone an autograph, it's up to an employer if they want to activate positive action, neither are a legal right ethnic minorities can claim. Which is why I said 'say'. If the celebrity said I will not give that man an autograph because he is a black man he would be in contravention of the race laws as he gives a clear reason why he is denying the autograph, however an employer can say in law I will not give that man extra training because he is white but I will give it that other man because he is black. The white man's right not to be discriminated against because of his ethnicity has been erased by law. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 30, 2023 10:16:04 GMT
That is your perception and the time honoured way to try and ignore the details of the debate. Powell when interviewed on Frost made exactly that point some 55 years ago that the colour did not matter if it was a million Germans the point would still be relevant. He's specifically mentioned race numerous times. And he specifically mentioned that it did not matter several times as well. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 30, 2023 10:18:50 GMT
So why are Muslims unemployed at twice the rate of Hindus? - this discrimination seems pretty selective. Societal prejudice against Muslims? So, you believe discrimination (from white employers), and societal prejudice against female Muslims ( by white people) is the problem? Can I ask, do you have or hold any Muslim heritage in your household? |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 30, 2023 10:21:48 GMT
that must be their white privilege at work... Looks that way. There's no such thing as white privilege hornet, that's newspeak. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 10:24:59 GMT
Societal prejudice against Muslims? So, you believe discrimination (from white employers), and societal prejudice against female Muslims ( by white people) is the problem? Can I ask, do you have or hold any Muslim heritage in your household? The evidence for discrimination in the workplace towards Muslims and women is pretty compelling IMHO. There is no Muslim heritage in my household. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 10:25:36 GMT
There's no such thing as white privilege hornet, that's newspeak. I disagree. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 30, 2023 10:30:39 GMT
So, you believe discrimination (from white employers), and societal prejudice against female Muslims ( by white people) is the problem? Can I ask, do you have or hold any Muslim heritage in your household? The evidence for discrimination in the workplace towards Muslims and women is pretty compelling IMHO. There is no Muslim heritage in my household. Compelling against white people you mean? |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 30, 2023 10:31:00 GMT
There's no such thing as white privilege hornet, that's newspeak. I disagree. Can you prove it exists then? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 10:31:41 GMT
The evidence for discrimination in the workplace towards Muslims and women is pretty compelling IMHO. There is no Muslim heritage in my household. Compelling against white people you mean? No, the ONS statistics and results of the CV study I posted earlier in the thread suggest quite the opposite. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 10:32:58 GMT
Can you prove it exists then? No because it's a societal behaviour rather than a physical object. I can give you examples from second hand personal experience. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 30, 2023 10:33:39 GMT
Compelling against white people you mean? No, the ONS statistics and results of the CV study I posted earlier in the thread suggest quite the opposite. In the sense that white people discriminate against Muslims in the workplace? |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 30, 2023 10:36:08 GMT
Can you prove it exists then? No because it's a societal behaviour rather than a physical object. I can give you examples from second hand personal experience. Racism is a societal behaviour - it can be proved that exists. Or do you mean the kind of acts that condition this kind of societal behaviour?  |
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