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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 24, 2023 17:47:05 GMT
Crikey I didn't realise it was that bad. Yep - there are currently 5.5 million working-age people receiving out-of-work benefits, as well as 1.7 million economically inactive people – those who are out of work and either not looking for or available to start work – who say they want a job. Anyone who claims that we need immigration is gaslighting you. According to the lefties the UK would be on its knees without them, the lefties have built up this illusion that we desperately need migrant workers to fill job spaces, they must think we were all born yesterday. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 17:47:52 GMT
It’s actually a reasonable question you ask. Let’s accept for now that there is a material gap between the need for people to care for elderly people in care homes and the number of people currently in the UK who want to do that job. Q1 Do we accept that in that scenario we have to bring in people from abroad to fill those roles. If not what is the alternative? Q2 if we accept we have to import social care labor from overseas, what makes us think that there are sufficient people willing to come to this country to do this work leaving their partners and any children behind? If the reality on the ground is that the only way to get sufficient numbers to come is to allow them to bring close family, are we then forced to do so? What is the alternative? 1 Increase salaries/wages until the positions are filled 2 If they will not come on their own they do not come. Bringing in families will add significant costs to the country. It would be easier, and cheaper, to adopt 1. "Increase salaries/wages until the positions are filled" Who pays for that? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 24, 2023 17:58:53 GMT
1 Increase salaries/wages until the positions are filled 2 If they will not come on their own they do not come. Bringing in families will add significant costs to the country. It would be easier, and cheaper, to adopt 1. "Increase salaries/wages until the positions are filled" Who pays for that? In the long run the same people who pay for the care and benefits given to families of those allowed to come in on minimum wage. Once you take into consideration tax allowances, in work benefits, healthcare, child allowance etc and not least the saving on out of work benefits saved for those UK citizens taking the jobs it is a win win. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 24, 2023 18:00:43 GMT
What jobs are the people that are going to switch to social care currently doing? Who is going to replace them.
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 18:01:04 GMT
"Increase salaries/wages until the positions are filled" Who pays for that? In the long run the same people who pay for the care and benefits given to families of those allowed to come in on minimum wage. Once you take into consideration tax allowances, in work benefits, healthcare, child allowance etc and not least the saving on out of work benefits saved for those UK citizens taking the jobs it is a win win. So the taxpayer then? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 24, 2023 18:03:25 GMT
In the long run the same people who pay for the care and benefits given to families of those allowed to come in on minimum wage. Once you take into consideration tax allowances, in work benefits, healthcare, child allowance etc and not least the saving on out of work benefits saved for those UK citizens taking the jobs it is a win win. So the taxpayer then? In the long run yes he will either through having to pay more for services or in the other case having to meet the other costs which are real, quite large and very costly. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 24, 2023 18:07:07 GMT
What jobs are the people that are going to switch to social care currently doing? Who is going to replace them. The shortage is of people currently willing to do that job, they may be employed they may not be. We have a vast sea of people who are economically inactive |
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Post by dappy on Nov 24, 2023 18:08:29 GMT
How do you make people take those jobs and how do you make sure they look after our elderly well?
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Post by sandypine on Nov 24, 2023 18:12:49 GMT
How do you make people take those jobs and how do you make sure they look after our elderly well? I have already said, you increase wages until the positions are filled (we call this the Labour market) how do we ensure anyone looks after the elderly well. Bringing workers in from countries where a higher proportion of people either hate infidels/white people/British has greater risks I would have thought |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 18:13:18 GMT
What jobs are the people that are going to switch to social care currently doing? Who is going to replace them. The shortage is of people currently willing to do that job, they may be employed they may not be. We have a vast sea of people who are economically inactive And which public services would you cut to pay for this? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 18:14:36 GMT
How do you make people take those jobs and how do you make sure they look after our elderly well? I have already said, you increase wages until the positions are filled (we call this the Labour market) how do we ensure anyone looks after the elderly well. Bringing workers in from countries where a higher proportion of people either hate infidels/white people/British has greater risks I would have thought Usually the market decides how much people get paid. The state deciding sounds quite left wing to me. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 24, 2023 18:17:01 GMT
The shortage is of people currently willing to do that job, they may be employed they may not be. We have a vast sea of people who are economically inactive And which public services would you cut to pay for this? You are not following, it effectively pays for itself as you have saved a greater cost down the road. How one organises it is of course detail but it is a saving in the long run and avoids the immigration ponzi scheme. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 18:19:12 GMT
And which public services would you cut to pay for this? You are not following, it effectively pays for itself as you have saved a greater cost down the road. How one organises it is of course detail but it is a saving in the long run and avoids the immigration ponzi scheme. Even if that's true that's in the long run. So in the short to medium term, which public services would you like to cut to pay for it. What do you say when people in other professions start demanding the state raise their salaries? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 24, 2023 18:25:16 GMT
I have already said, you increase wages until the positions are filled (we call this the Labour market) how do we ensure anyone looks after the elderly well. Bringing workers in from countries where a higher proportion of people either hate infidels/white people/British has greater risks I would have thought Usually the market decides how much people get paid. The state deciding sounds quite left wing to me. It is the market that will decide as the employer can only employ from the UK Labour market and must increases wages to fill positions. This will increase costs for services but will avoid costs of bringing in an immigrant and dependants a little further down the road, So whichever way it goes the taxpayer will pay, I estimate a lot less in the long run by paying more for the services the cost of which will go up but will avoid all sorts of costs down the road. I think I explained it twice there in a slightly different way. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 18:29:16 GMT
Usually the market decides how much people get paid. The state deciding sounds quite left wing to me. It is the market that will decide as the employer can only employ from the UK Labour market and must increases wages to fill positions. This will increase costs for services but will avoid costs of bringing in an immigrant and dependants a little further down the road, So whichever way it goes the taxpayer will pay, I estimate a lot less in the long run by paying more for the services the cost of which will go up but will avoid all sorts of costs down the road. I think I explained it twice there in a slightly different way. But it's not the market that's deciding, it's state intervention inflating wages at the tax payers expense. I ask again what happens when people in other professions start demanding that the state raise their wages too? |
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