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Post by Pacifico on Nov 27, 2023 18:20:32 GMT
Perhaps its mass immigration that is causing that problem? Perhaps. Perhaps my Rabbit is a dog. Well that is about the standard of most of your arguments nowdays. Let me educate you - For more than two decades now the UK has been trapped in a low-skill, low-wage, high immigration cycle. Companies don’t invest in machinery or training because it is always cheaper simply to bring in foreign workers instead. In the mean time our GDP per capita has fallen unlike other industrialised countries who didn't go down the mass immigration route where GDP has risen. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 18:29:44 GMT
Then what is the problem with being in the UK, it is not an accident, it is usually a decision made by parents to accommodate what they believe is best for their issue. I know some Scots working in England who took themselves across the border to give birth to ensure the child could class himself as Scottish. These are parental choices. Because I can't help being born the son of an immigrant, just as some people can't help being born disabled. What's the moral difference between singling the former and the latter out for special treatment? No you cannot but if parental choices result in a hard time for the offspring that may be unfair but not unusual. I cannot help my parents being white but apparently that fact impacts upon my ability to not be racist and as such I should be judged for them passing whiteness on to me. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 27, 2023 18:36:22 GMT
Because I can't help being born the son of an immigrant, just as some people can't help being born disabled. What's the moral difference between singling the former and the latter out for special treatment? No you cannot but if parental choices result in a hard time for the offspring that may be unfair but not unusual. I cannot help my parents being white but apparently that fact impacts upon my ability to not be racist and as such I should be judged for them passing whiteness on to me. But it's not my parents decisions that are resulting in a hard time for me, it is the decisions of people like you choosing to practice the politics of exclusion and alienation. I ask again, what's the moral difference to singling out people who happened to borne of immigrants and people who happened to be born disabled for special treatment? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 18:49:55 GMT
Agreed again Sandy. Which is why I searched for an explanation as to why governments keep doing it. I don't sign up to the idea that they're all just mad globalists trying to destroy our culture. It seemed far more likely it was about money. Hence my theory. I would have said that they are not mad globalists but their attendance at various WEF does and the appearance of the WEF at do's that are basically nothing to do with them does, they raise the spectre of some form of joint action to bring countries under joint leadership and control. The thing is that the WEF tell us that is what they are trying to do, perhaps we should take them at their word. Don't sign up to it myself. The World Economic Forum are not that powerful. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 19:03:30 GMT
Perhaps. Perhaps my Rabbit is a dog. Well that is about the standard of most of your arguments nowdays. Let me educate you - For more than two decades now the UK has been trapped in a low-skill, low-wage, high immigration cycle. Companies don’t invest in machinery or training because it is always cheaper simply to bring in foreign workers instead. In the mean time our GDP per capita has fallen unlike other industrialised countries who didn't go down the mass immigration route where GDP has risen. Let me tell you I know all that and more. I have told you all that and more. Automation has taken many skilled jobs and continues to do so. The Uk is 27th out of 179 listed countries, pretty much the same a France. The best performing are the small low population countries that sell finance and those with huge natural reserves of oil gas etc. Not only that but Germany hald as the shining light by many, has taken far more immigrants than we have. Go figure bright boy. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 19:11:08 GMT
No you cannot but if parental choices result in a hard time for the offspring that may be unfair but not unusual. I cannot help my parents being white but apparently that fact impacts upon my ability to not be racist and as such I should be judged for them passing whiteness on to me. But it's not my parents decisions that are resulting in a hard time for me, it is the decisions of people like you choosing to practice the politics of exclusion and alienation. I ask again, what's the moral difference to singling out people who happened to borne of immigrants and people who happened to be born disabled for special treatment? The answer is one of the two makes Sandy feel uncomfortable. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 27, 2023 19:22:14 GMT
But it's not my parents decisions that are resulting in a hard time for me, it is the decisions of people like you choosing to practice the politics of exclusion and alienation. I ask again, what's the moral difference to singling out people who happened to borne of immigrants and people who happened to be born disabled for special treatment? If we're going to get all emotional about it, how do you think I feel seeing huge tracts of my native homeland being overrun by millions and millions of colonisers who were neither invited nor wanted? A homeland in which the bones of untold generations of my ancestors lie buried.
Colonisers who demand equal treatment of a sort they'd never extend to us if on the remote off-chance we were to turn up in their own ancestral homeland.
How about that eh?
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 19:29:35 GMT
But it's not my parents decisions that are resulting in a hard time for me, it is the decisions of people like you choosing to practice the politics of exclusion and alienation. I ask again, what's the moral difference to singling out people who happened to borne of immigrants and people who happened to be born disabled for special treatment? If we're going to get all emotional about it, how do you think I feel seeing huge tracts of my native homeland being overrun by millions and millions of colonisers who were neither invited nor wanted? A homeland in which the bones of untold generations of my ancestors lie buried.
Colonisers who demand equal treatment of a sort they'd never extend to us if on the remote off-chance we were to turn up in their own ancestral homeland.
How about that eh?
You didn't invite them, your elected governments did. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 27, 2023 19:33:27 GMT
But it's not my parents decisions that are resulting in a hard time for me, it is the decisions of people like you choosing to practice the politics of exclusion and alienation. I ask again, what's the moral difference to singling out people who happened to borne of immigrants and people who happened to be born disabled for special treatment? If we're going to get all emotional about it, how do you think I feel seeing huge tracts of my native homeland being overrun by millions and millions of colonisers who were neither invited nor wanted? A homeland in which the bones of untold generations of my ancestors lie buried.
Colonisers who demand equal treatment of a sort they'd never extend to us if on the remote off-chance we were to turn up in their own ancestral homeland.
How about that eh?
So if you found out tomorrow that you were adopted and your biological parents were say French, would your Britishness disappear in a puff of smoke? I haven't done any of the things you've listed here, neither has anyone in my family, we've done nothing to you or yours, you're again trying to intellectually justify bullying. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 27, 2023 19:34:33 GMT
You only have a tiny corner - just a modest, normal house. However, for some reason, long queues of people extend down the road and try to clamber in through your windows
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 27, 2023 19:46:09 GMT
You only have a tiny corner - just a modest, normal house. However, for some reason, long queues of people extend down the road and try to clamber in through your windows That wouldn't be an accurate analogy. What would be is someone trying to turf you out of the house you were born and have always lived in and payed your share of the bills for your whole adult life because one of your parents was born in the next street. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 27, 2023 19:47:26 GMT
You only have a tiny corner - just a modest, normal house. However, for some reason, long queues of people extend down the road and try to clamber in through your windows That wouldn't be an accurate analogy. What would be is someone trying to turf you out of the house you were born and have always lived in and payed your share of the bills for your whole adult life because one of your parents was born in the next street. The house in question already had residents. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 27, 2023 19:49:28 GMT
That wouldn't be an accurate analogy. What would be is someone trying to turf you out of the house you were born and have always lived in and payed your share of the bills for your whole adult life because one of your parents was born in the next street. The house in question already had residents.So did the one you were born in. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 19:49:38 GMT
You only have a tiny corner - just a modest, normal house. However, for some reason, long queues of people extend down the road and try to clamber in through your windows Its a very nice house with tables laden with food and they are starving. What do you expect. Then there's people like Happy Hornets parents who were INVITED here. so stop with the bullying. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 27, 2023 19:52:24 GMT
You only have a tiny corner - just a modest, normal house. However, for some reason, long queues of people extend down the road and try to clamber in through your windows Its a very nice house with tables laden with food and they are starving. What do you expect. I'm just laying out what happened. What do I expect? I expect a house to be invaded if such an invasion is not prevented. |
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