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Post by sandypine on Nov 24, 2023 22:05:38 GMT
Since the 1960s when it became evident that there was a developing problem the political parties have ensured that this has not become an electoral issue, by burying the problem and smearing anyone who raised the topic by innuendo (Powell,Farage) and developing a term (far right) that indicates a loony majority they have managed to suppress the topic, until now. It is now evident to anyone with any sort of acumen that there is no housing, medical services or schools to accommodate any more immigration, it is also obvious to anyone that multi culturism is an abject failure in this country, the emerging evidence of muslim grooming gangs in Rotherham and other ares, the sight of Hamas supporters in our capital calling for the genocide of Jews, the political corrupt police serve and judiciary allowing, indeed making, a two tier criminal system, and a two faced vacillating succession of Governments make it clear that a multi ethnic society is neither desirable nor achievable in this country. So to answer you question, I believe that in the next year or so a political party will emerge that has this at the heart of its manifesto, and that its victory will make the Brexit triumph and Johnsons 80 seat majority look pretty tame. I hope that the now loud minority in the media and political circles remember this in due course, Steve Bray hasn't quite grasped it yet. Seems like a long winded way of confirming that the British electorate have never expressed opposition to a multi-ethnic society. Tell me, do you take responsibility for the actions of every member of your ethnic group? I could point out any number of awful things done by indigenous British people, would that be proof that a mono-ethnic society is undesirable? Britain is not and never has been a mono-ethnic society what it has usually been is a generally homogenous society that coped with influxes from many countries over time qite often against the wishes of the people as tehy had no voice. We moved on a voice was obtained and democratically expressed frequently on similar lines. We are frequently demanded to pay reparations for slavery, accept our white privilege and stop being institutionally racist. We may not accept it but it widely demanded that we do. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 22:10:45 GMT
Seems like a long winded way of confirming that the British electorate have never expressed opposition to a multi-ethnic society. Tell me, do you take responsibility for the actions of every member of your ethnic group? I could point out any number of awful things done by indigenous British people, would that be proof that a mono-ethnic society is undesirable? Britain is not and never has been a mono-ethnic society what it has usually been is a generally homogenous society that coped with influxes from many countries over time qite often against the wishes of the people as tehy had no voice. We moved on a voice was obtained and democratically expressed frequently on similar lines. We are frequently demanded to pay reparations for slavery, accept our white privilege and stop being institutionally racist. We may not accept it but it widely demanded that we do. "We are frequently demanded to pay reparations for slavery, accept our white privilege and stop being institutionally racist" That's freedom of speech, one of our nation's values. The British people have never been denied a voice, they've just chosen not to vote in large numbers for the likes of the BNP or NF. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 24, 2023 22:13:02 GMT
Britain is not and never has been a mono-ethnic society what it has usually been is a generally homogenous society that coped with influxes from many countries over time qite often against the wishes of the people as tehy had no voice. We moved on a voice was obtained and democratically expressed frequently on similar lines. We are frequently demanded to pay reparations for slavery, accept our white privilege and stop being institutionally racist. We may not accept it but it widely demanded that we do. "We are frequently demanded to pay reparations for slavery, accept our white privilege and stop being institutionally racist" That's freedom of speech, one of our nation's values. Indeed it is but it was as regards reference do you take responsibility for what your ethnic compatriots do. No but it is still demanded that we do an that comes from many on the left. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 24, 2023 22:18:52 GMT
Britain is not and never has been a mono-ethnic society what it has usually been is a generally homogenous society that coped with influxes from many countries over time qite often against the wishes of the people as tehy had no voice. We moved on a voice was obtained and democratically expressed frequently on similar lines. We are frequently demanded to pay reparations for slavery, accept our white privilege and stop being institutionally racist. We may not accept it but it widely demanded that we do. "We are frequently demanded to pay reparations for slavery, accept our white privilege and stop being institutionally racist" That's freedom of speech, one of our nation's values. The British people have never been denied a voice, they've just chosen not to vote in large numbers for the likes of the BNP or NF. As regards your edit. In Barking and Dagenham in 2010 or thereabouts Nick Griffin of the BNP got 16% of the vote. Now he lost out by a good chalk to Labour but the question is does the Labour MP have to consider the views of that 16% or can she totally ignore them as being of no consequence and work only for those who were her voters. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2023 22:20:46 GMT
The society should be generally constructed and maintained in the way the majority of the voters indicate. This is what makes it our society yours as well as mine. However we can see that that has not happened, those that want a multicultural and multi-ethnic society have had their way irrespective of the clear wishes of the majority at almost every election for the past 60 years have indicated as their wish. It has been imposed as a society which is not teh way a democratic society is supposed to function and exist. When have the British electorate expressed a clear majority against a multi-ethnic society? If the British electorate want a multi-ethnic society why do they constantly vote against more immigration? should we grow our own ethnics? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 22:25:34 GMT
When have the British electorate expressed a clear majority against a multi-ethnic society? If the British electorate want a multi-ethnic society why do they constantly vote against more immigration? should we grow our own ethnics? They don't, they vote for parties that advocate controlled immigration. I don't know if you've noticed but quite a lot of immigrants are white. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 22:27:49 GMT
"We are frequently demanded to pay reparations for slavery, accept our white privilege and stop being institutionally racist" That's freedom of speech, one of our nation's values. Indeed it is but it was as regards reference do you take responsibility for what your ethnic compatriots do. No but it is still demanded that we do an that comes from many on the left. I've made no such demands of anyone. Would you agree that it is therefore unfair to hold ethnic minorities collectively responsible for the actions of a small number of other ethnic minorities? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 22:30:56 GMT
"We are frequently demanded to pay reparations for slavery, accept our white privilege and stop being institutionally racist" That's freedom of speech, one of our nation's values. The British people have never been denied a voice, they've just chosen not to vote in large numbers for the likes of the BNP or NF. As regards your edit. In Barking and Dagenham in 2010 or thereabouts Nick Griffin of the BNP got 16% of the vote. Now he lost out by a good chalk to Labour but the question is does the Labour MP have to consider the views of that 16% or can she totally ignore them as being of no consequence and work only for those who were her voters. Well if 48% of the electorate are told that they lost get over it, surely we can say the same to a mere 18%? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2023 22:36:22 GMT
If the British electorate want a multi-ethnic society why do they constantly vote against more immigration? should we grow our own ethnics? They don't, they vote for parties that advocate controlled immigration. I don't know if you've noticed but quite a lot of immigrants are white. when was the last time we had controlled immigration.. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 22:38:27 GMT
They don't, they vote for parties that advocate controlled immigration. I don't know if you've noticed but quite a lot of immigrants are white. when was the last time we had controlled immigration.. When did we last have uncontrolled immigration? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2023 22:40:46 GMT
when was the last time we had controlled immigration.. When did we last have uncontrolled immigration? so you cannot answer a simple question - there is a surprise  |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 24, 2023 22:46:03 GMT
When did we last have uncontrolled immigration? so you cannot answer a simple question - there is a surprise No I haven't, I'm honestly unaware of a time where we have had uncontrolled immigration in my lifetime. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2023 22:52:50 GMT
so you cannot answer a simple question - there is a surprise No I haven't, I'm honestly unaware of a time where we have had uncontrolled immigration in my lifetime. Really - how did we control EU migration under FoM rules?. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 25, 2023 0:06:55 GMT
Of course. Regardless of the bizarre and relentless demonisation of our society, we actually have a right to our preferred way of life to the degree it is workable/ successful (which it was). It's not like we actually lost a war. But that's the thing, it's not your society, not in any exclusive sense. Putting up with things you don't like is the price you pay for living in a free society. If you don't or wont accept that a people in aggregate have a right to make the kind of society they want, i guess a naturalistic, traditional option is for them to bend your head up your arse and make you accept they have that right. There isn't much room for maneuver here. As a thinker once said - Between two groups of people who want to make inconsistent kinds of worlds, I see no remedy but force. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 25, 2023 6:56:43 GMT
But that's the thing, it's not your society, not in any exclusive sense. Putting up with things you don't like is the price you pay for living in a free society. If you don't or wont accept that a people in aggregate have a right to make the kind of society they want, i guess a naturalistic, traditional option is for them to bend your head up your arse and make you accept they have that right. There isn't much room for maneuver here. As a thinker once said - Between two groups of people who want to make inconsistent kinds of worlds, I see no remedy but force.Of course people have the right to campaign for the kind of society they want, I just don't believe that a minority have the right to use lawlessness and violence to demand the kind of society they want. |
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