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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2023 12:09:14 GMT
So you acknowledge it's correct then? Checkmate. The BBC is a one way street>>> lefty, at least the Daily Mail prints negatives about the Tories, they never let it drop with Johnson and partygate, I notice the lefties were quoting the DM when it was printing negatives about Johnson. They moan a lot about it, even though their Smartphones are relying on Google news feed out of the box, which is openly left-wing bias by design. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 25, 2023 12:17:00 GMT
So you acknowledge it's correct then? Checkmate. The BBC is a one way street>>> lefty, at least the Daily Mail prints negatives about the Tories, they never let it drop with Johnson and partygate, I notice the lefties were quoting the DM when it was printing negatives about Johnson. You think in a very binary way. Not everyone who thinks differently is a "Leftie", but you're just really desperate to label people without thinking. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 25, 2023 12:24:28 GMT
So you acknowledge it's correct then? Checkmate. The BBC is a one way street>>> lefty, at least the Daily Mail prints negatives about the Tories, they never let it drop with Johnson and partygate, I notice the lefties were quoting the DM when it was printing negatives about Johnson. To be fair to the beeb for a supposedly lefty organisation they've been very charitable in appointing Tories in senior management positions. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 25, 2023 12:26:38 GMT
The data source is in ALL the.media including the lefty BBC. So you acknowledge it's correct then? Checkmate. Sorry if it offends but we have no mote fuckingroom for this dross ushered hereby you beloved EUSSR. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 25, 2023 12:31:08 GMT
So you acknowledge it's correct then? Checkmate. The BBC is a one way street>>> lefty, at least the Daily Mail prints negatives about the Tories, they never let it drop with Johnson and partygate, I notice the lefties were quoting the DM when it was printing negatives about Johnson. Just usual lefties hypocrisy mate we all know and love. I wonder if dom Cummings rings any bells about their total double standards and hypocrisy? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2023 12:32:48 GMT
The BBC is a one way street>>> lefty, at least the Daily Mail prints negatives about the Tories, they never let it drop with Johnson and partygate, I notice the lefties were quoting the DM when it was printing negatives about Johnson. You think in a very binary way. Not everyone who thinks differently is a "Leftie", but you're just really desperate to label people without thinking. I suspect his problem is that he is too far to the Right in his thinking. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2023 12:40:42 GMT
Hmm, so the CEOs decided on the back of immigration to increase their pay by 51%? Isn't that increase in pay the reason the wealth didn't trickle down to those in work? The anti competition style 'market conditions' mean they are sitting on a kind of monopoly and are therefore able to do so. The government sets market conditions, not CEO pay. Trickle down is misnomer here. Wealth in no real sense at all 'trickles down' from a group who enjoys a comfortable, government enforced monopoly. These people may as well be members of a royal family. The so called 'trickle down' effect comes from efforts to find a way to make a profit (investment in the teeth of competition to produce wealth). That doesn't mean they can't see the obvious, Theresa May could, and would have done something about it if she could. I recall a comment she made about CEOs helping themselves, she suggested there should be a correlation between money at the top and money at the bottom that would have seen a greater level of fairness in wealth distribution throughout the company. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 25, 2023 12:42:47 GMT
The BBC is a one way street>>> lefty, at least the Daily Mail prints negatives about the Tories, they never let it drop with Johnson and partygate, I notice the lefties were quoting the DM when it was printing negatives about Johnson. Just usual lefties hypocrisy mate we all know and love. I wonder if dom Cummings rings any bells about their total double standards and hypocrisy? Surely that cuts both ways? Right wingers were queing up to defend him at one point and now hold him in contempt. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 25, 2023 12:50:13 GMT
The anti competition style 'market conditions' mean they are sitting on a kind of monopoly and are therefore able to do so. The government sets market conditions, not CEO pay. Trickle down is misnomer here. Wealth in no real sense at all 'trickles down' from a group who enjoys a comfortable, government enforced monopoly. These people may as well be members of a royal family. The so called 'trickle down' effect comes from efforts to find a way to make a profit (investment in the teeth of competition to produce wealth). That doesn't mean they can't see the obvious, Theresa May could, and would have done something about it if she could. I recall a comment she made about CEOs helping themselves, she suggested there should be a correlation between money at the top and money at the bottom that would have seen a greater level of fairness in wealth distribution throughout the company. That approach won't work. All that will happen is that a new vector of corruption will be created and another slice of production will be sent into the void of not producing. The problem at root is that it is managed competition. Managing it yet more wont solve that. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 25, 2023 13:06:27 GMT
Just usual lefties hypocrisy mate we all know and love. I wonder if dom Cummings rings any bells about their total double standards and hypocrisy? Right wingers were queing up to defend him at one point and now hold him in contempt. Yes we learnt that trick from the lefties. Good enough for the Goose etc. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2023 13:13:49 GMT
That doesn't mean they can't see the obvious, Theresa May could, and would have done something about it if she could. I recall a comment she made about CEOs helping themselves, she suggested there should be a correlation between money at the top and money at the bottom that would have seen a greater level of fairness in wealth distribution throughout the company. That approach won't work. All that will happen is that a new vector of corruption will be created and another slice of production will be sent into the void of not producing. The problem at root is that it is managed competition. Managing it yet more wont solve that. Management of capitalism is the way that it has been brought to the reasonably level of acceptability it is at. If we are to exist as a 'one nation' country further changes will need to be, and will eventually be, made. Do you agree with the 51% increase taken by CEOs? |
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Post by Orac on Nov 25, 2023 13:27:43 GMT
That approach won't work. All that will happen is that a new vector of corruption will be created and another slice of production will be sent into the void of not producing. The problem at root is that it is managed competition. Managing it yet more wont solve that. Management of capitalism is the way that it has been brought to the reasonably level of acceptability it is at. If we are to exist as a 'one nation' country further changes will need to be, and will eventually be, made. Do you agree with the 51% increase taken by CEOs? Do I agree with it? That's a bit like asking if I 'agree' with the price of fish. The question shows you have a weak understanding and the problem persists because of large numbers of people with a very weak understanding of what is happening to them and their communities. We have a kind of corporate neo-feudal situation in which CEOS and politicians co-operate to prevent proper competition and create a surplus of low salary labour. The solution is to remove the various discretions and powers that keep those barriers ect in place, not to move the decision making up to the next layer of crooks. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2023 14:34:14 GMT
Brexit - IS - at least partly responible for this
The other night on BBC TV, there was an hour long documentary about Cornwall ( did anyone else watch it ? ), and one of the things which emerged was the lack of farm workers.
One of Englands largest producers of Brassica and Green Vegetables has farms all across Cornwall and Southern England, and until recent times much of the work was done by Eastern Europeans, but many of them have now gone.
This year "SEF Farms Ltd" have employed large numbers of .... wait for it ..... Tajik's, all the way from Central Asia.
When Simon Reeve asked the managing director why local people do not fill the jobs, he explained that at the begining of the season, he employed 39 local people who had applied for jobs, within weeks there were just 3 remaining, all the others had left.
The next question was - is it because of poor pay ?, the owner of the company explained he paid the National Minimum Wage PLUS enhanced pay based on the weight / amount of vegetables you pick, and that no one earned less than £100 Per Day. ( National Minimum Wage would be £84.00 per day based on an 8 hour day ).
But its not only farm work, and not just in Cornwall, where I live in the Northeast there has suddenly been an influx of workers from Nigeria, The Philipines and other place who are working in care homes and the NHS.
So, no doubt some bright spark within these forums will suggest that the pay for picking Cauliflowers and Cabbages should be raised even higher, from £500 per week to say £600 per week, in the hope that British people will then do the jobs; Of course a company of SEF Farms Ltd size employing hundreds of people would see its costs rise substantially.
The price of the product to Asda, Aldi and Lidl goes up ...... Asda, Aldi and Lidl seek a cheaper supplier, most likely from the European Union.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 25, 2023 14:45:13 GMT
If an enterprise in search of venture capital submitted a business plan which calls for a more-or-less inexhaustible supply of pliant manual labour willing to work a 40+ hour week, much of it outdoors and in all weathers, I suspect the advice from the venture capitalists would be 'You are planning to create this business in a location where a critical input is simply unavailable. You need to rethink your plan or move it somewhere else'.
At the present time enterprises such as your Cornish vegetable grower are only able to survive because the rest of society funds the social and other costs associated with his low-cost, low-skill imported labour force.
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2023 15:02:23 GMT
Management of capitalism is the way that it has been brought to the reasonably level of acceptability it is at. If we are to exist as a 'one nation' country further changes will need to be, and will eventually be, made. Do you agree with the 51% increase taken by CEOs? Do I agree with it? That's a bit like asking if I 'agree' with the price of fish. The question shows you have a weak understanding and the problem persists because of large numbers of people with a very weak understanding of what is happening to them and their communities. We have a kind of corporate neo-feudal situation in which CEOS and politicians co-operate to prevent proper competition and create a surplus of low salary labour. The solution is to remove the various discretions and powers that keep those barriers ect in place, not to move the decision making up to the next layer of crooks. Maybe you can name the people / organisations or whatever that can change these "various discretions and powers that keep those barriers ect in place? It seems to me that all you wish to do is to defend the nonsense as it stands, because you think it is too difficult to change. You appear to be implying that you disagree with 51% increase but don't have the guts to acknowledge it. |
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