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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 23, 2023 10:01:11 GMT
The ONS reports net migration for the year to June 2023 was 672,000, 11% more than the previous record of 606,000 (June 22).
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 23, 2023 10:07:00 GMT
Now there's a surprise.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 23, 2023 10:12:06 GMT
Net migration by nationality y/e June 23:
Non-EU 768,000
EU -86,000
UK -10,000
Brexit is working as intended (?)
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Post by bancroft on Nov 23, 2023 10:14:24 GMT
It is being discussed on GB News now.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 10:16:43 GMT
The argument regarding economic immigration was based on skills, means and lack of criminal record.
Skilled migrants are coming here.
Rather funny to be hearing a Europhile moaning about immigrants coming here.
Shows who the real racists are.
Brexit is working as intended, we have new free trade agreements, we're out of the CAP and the CFP.
We haven't stopped importing tomatoes.
And it was never just about having skills based economic immigration rules (which we now have).
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 23, 2023 10:28:23 GMT
It's utter madness, a foreign student can invite their entire family to come and live in the UK ........ crazy.
"If you are a current student, you can apply to have dependants remain with in the UK if: You have an official financial sponsor (Government), and your course is full-time and at least 6 months long".
"You can bring dependants to the UK if: You are a government-sponsored student who is studying a full-time programme of more than six months in duration; or. You are a postgraduate student studying a full time programme of nine months or more".
How many UK students study abroad and are allowed to bring their whole family with them?........... It can only happen in the UK.
It's gone way too far now.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 23, 2023 10:32:42 GMT
Net migration by nationality y/e June 23: Non-EU 768,000 EU -86,000 UK -10,000 Brexit is working as intended (?) Obviously not but then it always depended on who implemented it and how. My bet, and I am open to correction, was that most who voted for Brexit with immigration as the prime concern thought a continuation of the Tories 'tens of thousands policy' would be in place with the added bonus of being able to implement that for the EU countries as well. Once again the great British electorate have been stiffed and if it continues with Labour no doubt they will be stiffed again. It is not clear how to escape from this perpetual cycle of 'stiffings' other than to run the risk of other parties rising to the fore and whether or not they can defeat what appears to be an ever more powerful and obstructive civil service and establishment. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 23, 2023 10:35:51 GMT
Since 2016 net EU migration has fallen by 219,000 while non-EU net migration has increased by 589,000.
Yep, it's working all right, at least the first bit is.
The five largest immigrant sources were India (253,000), Nigeria (141,000), China (89,000), Pakistan (55,000) and Ukraine (35,000).
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 23, 2023 10:40:37 GMT
"Susceptibility to misinformation and disinformation likely to have played a part in the Leave vote."
Google "leave vote cognitive ability"
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Post by sandypine on Nov 23, 2023 10:50:38 GMT
Since 2016 net EU migration has fallen by 219,000 while non-EU net migration has increased by 589,000. Yep, it's working all right, at least the first bit is. The five largest immigrant sources were India (253,000), Nigeria (141,000), China (89,000), Pakistan (55,000) and Ukraine (35,000). I beg to differ the 2015 Tory manifesto said. "We have already capped the level of skilled economic migration from outside the EU. We will maintain our cap at 20,700 during the next Parliament. This will ensure that we only grant visas to those who have the skills we really need in our economy." The manifesto was very plain in what its intentions were as regards immigration. So the expectation of the electorate was that immigration, under the Tories would be decreased dramatically most especially if we left the EU and that time if we left the EU it was expected to be well within the Parliament formed post 2015. The current figures indicate several possibilities within the following governments. 1 That they lied 2 That governments are not in control. 3 That there is a conspiracy to carry out the great replacement. 4 That the governments were singularly inept 5 That they did not care I can find no good reason why what has occurred should have occurred if we regard democracy as in any way carrying out the will of the people. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 23, 2023 10:56:31 GMT
"Susceptibility to misinformation and disinformation likely to have played a part in the Leave vote."
Google "leave vote cognitive ability"
The people with the highest cognitive ability were very likely to be those with employment and careers that benefitted from EU membership and saw the advantages to their career paths in continuing membership. Those with lower cognitive ability were more likely to be those who found their jobs largely undercut or taken over by EU migrants from the newer members and found that Minimum wage was now the 'going rate' in many jobs and trades whereby they had managed to secure better pay in the past. It does not take a bollocks study to work that one out |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 23, 2023 11:00:17 GMT
The 2015 Tory Manifesto could only have been referring to non-EU immigration, not to arrivals under EU FoM (who were not counted as migrants anyway).
In 2015 Brexit was no more than a glint in Nige's eye.
As far as governments in place since June 2016, I suspect all of your reasons come into play, except perhaps for No. 3 although that is open to debate.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 23, 2023 11:29:52 GMT
I follow the line of reasoning concerning the effect of EU membership on present and ongoing employment prospects, but don't believe this would have been the only factor at least for those with higher cognitive abilities. Culture, travel, expanded education options for them and their children, and the adventure of living in another country as well as the geo-political advantages of membership would all have come into play as well. For them the decision would have been about much more than just jobs and wages, let alone bogus issues such as 'independence' and 'sovereignty'.
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Post by Orac on Nov 23, 2023 11:39:28 GMT
"Susceptibility to misinformation and disinformation likely to have played a part in the Leave vote."
Google "leave vote cognitive ability"
Perhaps you should petition to have it added to the DSM under the new category of 'incorrect political positions' |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 23, 2023 11:52:08 GMT
Surely the only incorrect political position is the one which has given rise to a more than quadrupling of non-EU immigration since 2016?
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