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Post by happyhornet on Nov 23, 2023 7:28:58 GMT
So all that will of the people stuff was just a flag of convenience? The fucking establishment run the country not the government. You should know that as you always back the lefty establishment. Were you saying all of this after the 2019 GE? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 23, 2023 7:42:58 GMT
The fucking establishment run the country not the government. You should know that as you always back the lefty establishment. Were you saying all of this after the 2019 GE? Yep and during. I wasn't wrong was I. |
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Post by piglet on Nov 23, 2023 13:17:48 GMT
Jonksy, you should be running the country, four words, peoples views dont count, genius. And heres the proof. The Tory manifesto for the next election will be lies, like the last one. And the population will believe it, or most, and NOT realise they are being manipulted, lied too. The Tories, Labour are run by someone else, not Joe Bloggs of Cartherine Street, Bloxwich.
How many times must this repeat before the penny drops with the poplace, the average oq is a 100, thats what the problem is.
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 23, 2023 13:52:48 GMT
Jonksy, you should be running the country, four words, peoples views dont count, genius. And heres the proof. The Tory manifesto for the next election will be lies, like the last one. And the population will believe it, or most, and NOT realise they are being manipulted, lied too. The Tories, Labour are run by someone else, not Joe Bloggs of Cartherine Street, Bloxwich. How many times must this repeat before the penny drops with the poplace, the average oq is a 100, thats what the problem is. So the people aren't that bright and don't really know what they're voting for? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 23, 2023 13:58:49 GMT
Jonksy, you should be running the country, four words, peoples views dont count, genius. And heres the proof. The Tory manifesto for the next election will be lies, like the last one. And the population will believe it, or most, and NOT realise they are being manipulted, lied too. The Tories, Labour are run by someone else, not Joe Bloggs of Cartherine Street, Bloxwich. How many times must this repeat before the penny drops with the poplace, the average oq is a 100, thats what the problem is. So the people aren't that bright and don't really know what they're voting for? Well you didn't at the referendum. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 23, 2023 14:13:59 GMT
The poor old EU it just keeps getting worse and worse for them .......... LOL
Brussels is rocked by 'nightmare' victory for Geert Wilders and his 'Nexit' supporters in Dutch elections: Win is celebrated by populist leaders across Europe that 'borders and our rights must be defended'
Duxit
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Post by piglet on Nov 23, 2023 16:22:26 GMT
Hornet, they may have a grasp or an impression, but not the nuts and bolts, look at the Palestinians protesting, marching is fashionable, they dont understand the reality. That woman in the jungle dissaproved of Farage because of the internet. People vote red because dad did, etc. Maybe i was being cruel, but it counts, whatever their iq they need to pay more attention to whats going on.
The nuts and bolts if now is that blue and red say one thing and do another. Do you agree?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 23, 2023 17:06:25 GMT
Can i draw your attention to the next election, the Reds will win, its highly liikely. That means MORE of what we get today, there is no choice anymore, its a dictatoship, disguised. It will get worse, you are being abused politically in countless ways. Hands up those that have had enough. This is the Tory work ethic.
Do what we say, not what we do - slave.
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Post by see2 on Nov 23, 2023 17:37:40 GMT
Not true. The first hurdles they had to sort out were the big black economic holes left by the Tories in both the NHS and in state Education, which NL sorted for the benefit of the many, not the few. You sure you didn't mean to post this in alternative realities? You post like someone who, for some reason, doesn't like the truth. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 23, 2023 17:56:16 GMT
Not true. The first hurdles they had to sort out were the big black economic holes left by the Tories in both the NHS and in state Education, which NL sorted for the benefit of the many, not the few. LOL, you're having a laugh. Blair got into bed with private medicine more than any Conservative government ever have. He signed off £18 billion in PFI contracts that were, and still are, extremely costly for the tax payer, and extremely profitable for the private sector. You're extremely biased. That which I posted is true. NL used the private health sector because of the extreme damage Thatcher did to the NHS, and their reasons for using Private health in the NHS was always for the benefit of Patients. PFIs, apart from the initial agreements where practical based upon the economy of the time along with the necessity of replacing many hospitals that were old when they became part of the NHS back in 1948. Two other points. 1. Propagandist like to make points on the over all costs of PFIs, ignoring the costs of alternate government controlled funding, to get the real cost of PFIs, one would need to subtract the cost of of a government plan for rebuilding NHS stock. Along with taking into account the fact that PFIs were delivered on time and on cost. When did a government spend scheme ever manage that. 2. PFI financing hit the wall along with just about everything else when hit by the International Financial Meltdown. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 23, 2023 18:29:44 GMT
You sure you didn't mean to post this in alternative realities? You post like someone who, for some reason, doesn't like the truth. Well obviously your changing history to suit your own belief is amusing but not very factual. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 24, 2023 3:25:22 GMT
Then they were two stupid people (what else would one expect on GB news). The basic difference between the two parties is, the main aim of the Tory system is to ensure that financial success enriches the rich, to the exclusion of the rest. The main aim of moderate Labour (that excludes Lefties like Corbyn) is to use the same systems to favour the 'many not the few'. Thereby eliminating any need for a revolution. That is utter rubbish, you don't get to define the goals of your political opponents, that is just childish nonsense akin to a child shouting you smell at another child in the hope that if they say it enough, others will think it is true lol. If the Tories are the party of the few, how come the majority are doing just fine? lol. If it had not been for Covid we would be seeing another Tory landslide because Labour are lost in identity politics, instead of offering a positive vision. As you seem ignorant of the facts, Conservatism is about personal responsibility, and thus a small state. The problem with that, is that vast swathes of the population take no personal responsibility for their own lives, so they need a nanny state to pick up the pieces. As always you are trying to express your moral superiority by using attack phrases, and missing completely the actual reality. Politics is ultimately an argument about the size of the state, and how much it should interfere in the lives of its citizens. The Tories have been in too long, and the balance is too far towards personal responsibility (as evidenced by the amount of homeless on our streets). The problem is, as the idiotic Liz Truss demonstrated, the markets and the global institutions have forced politics into a narrow band... hence people with brains can see how similar the parties have become. You can claim Tory corruption / mismanagement / austerity have caused all our problems, and that Starmer will wave a magic socialist wand... the reality is that he will be inheriting a post-Covid shitshow... just like the post-Financial Crisis shitshow the Tories inherited from New Labour. This is no 1997... and Starmer is no Blair. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 24, 2023 15:28:38 GMT
You post like someone who, for some reason, doesn't like the truth. Well obviously your changing history to suit your own belief is amusing but not very factual. I can and do laugh at your post because if you could prove me wrong you would have done. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 24, 2023 16:12:26 GMT
Then they were two stupid people (what else would one expect on GB news). The basic difference between the two parties is, the main aim of the Tory system is to ensure that financial success enriches the rich, to the exclusion of the rest. The main aim of moderate Labour (that excludes Lefties like Corbyn) is to use the same systems to favour the 'many not the few'. Thereby eliminating any need for a revolution. That is utter rubbish, you don't get to define the goals of your political opponents, that is just childish nonsense akin to a child shouting you smell at another child in the hope that if they say it enough, others will think it is true lol. If the Tories are the party of the few, how come the majority are doing just fine? lol. If it had not been for Covid we would be seeing another Tory landslide because Labour are lost in identity politics, instead of offering a positive vision. As you seem ignorant of the facts, Conservatism is about personal responsibility, and thus a small state. The problem with that, is that vast swathes of the population take no personal responsibility for their own lives, so they need a nanny state to pick up the pieces. As always you are trying to express your moral superiority by using attack phrases, and missing completely the actual reality. Politics is ultimately an argument about the size of the state, and how much it should interfere in the lives of its citizens. The Tories have been in too long, and the balance is too far towards personal responsibility (as evidenced by the amount of homeless on our streets). The problem is, as the idiotic Liz Truss demonstrated, the markets and the global institutions have forced politics into a narrow band... hence people with brains can see how similar the parties have become. You can claim Tory corruption / mismanagement / austerity have caused all our problems, and that Starmer will wave a magic socialist wand... the reality is that he will be inheriting a post-Covid shitshow... just like the post-Financial Crisis shitshow the Tories inherited from New Labour. This is no 1997... and Starmer is no Blair. No it isn't, it is an informed opinion about an unreliable right-wing news forecaster. Let me see, as a Tory Minister in need of finance, Hmm, I know! lets make the rich richer LOL. The majority are facing the highest taxation levels since WWII. So your first paragraph is just childish nonsense. Your opinions on Conservatism shows just how naive you are. The UK is not even amongst the top ten countries in wealth distribution fairness. I suspect that the ignorance is all yours. I'll settle for Tory "mismanagement" without the brains to see different ways of running the economy. Starmer's approach will be both different and practical, given the opportunity that is. You know full well that the Tories inherited a "shit show" in 2010 directly from the International Financial Meltdown and that Brown did extremely well in avoiding a recession turning into a depression. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 24, 2023 21:09:09 GMT
Can i draw your attention to the next election, the Reds will win, its highly liikely. That means MORE of what we get today, there is no choice anymore, its a dictatoship, disguised. It will get worse, you are being abused politically in countless ways. Hands up those that have had enough. This is the Tory work ethic.
Do what we say, not what we do - slave.
This is not the 'Tory' work ethic ffs. That ^ is the work ethic promoted by Blairs dream of mass immigration. The reason JD Sports, Amazon, BooHoo etc treat employees like slaves is because thanks to mass immigration there's a huge pool of low skilled labour in the workplace these companies draw on. Thanks to Labours pro EU pro immigration policies these companies thrived from the early 2000's onwards. I accept that in later years the Tories didn't do anything to stop it, but make no mistake this started under Blairs Labour government. |
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