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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2023 16:33:33 GMT
To my way of thinking the real question is not which taxes are to be reduced, but why not ?
It does not matter how much public money is given to Britain's layabout army, it is never going to leap up, take responsibility for its own lives. get jobs and vote Conservative. It will just sit back, think the tax paying public are mugs and wait for the benefit cheques to hit their bank accounts.
So cut taxes and benefits
Yes - we have around 12pc of the working-age population on out-of-work benefits. Meanwhile, there are still around a million vacancies, with many sectors suffering from acute worker shortages. The generous welfare system means that for many work does not pay. What percentage of those are capable of working? How many ill? How many waiting on our destroyed NHS? How many only just lost their previous employment? Claiming them all as evidence that benefits inspire laziness is appallingly lazy maths. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2023 16:38:31 GMT
Yes - we have around 12pc of the working-age population on out-of-work benefits. Meanwhile, there are still around a million vacancies, with many sectors suffering from acute worker shortages. The generous welfare system means that for many work does not pay. What percentage of those are capable of working? How many ill? How many waiting on our destroyed NHS? How many only just lost their previous employment? Claiming them all as evidence that benefits inspire laziness is appallingly lazy maths. If, at the end of 75 years of the NHS looking after people from the cradle to the grave, we end up with 12% of the working age population so ill that they cannot do anything except wait for the welfare cheque to arrive then we need to rethink they whole of the Welfare State and not just the level of handouts. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 19, 2023 16:45:08 GMT
Rethink in what way?
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2023 17:07:31 GMT
Well it's obviously like the Home Office and not fit for purpose. Scrap it and start again.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2023 17:14:42 GMT
What percentage of those are capable of working? How many ill? How many waiting on our destroyed NHS? How many only just lost their previous employment? Claiming them all as evidence that benefits inspire laziness is appallingly lazy maths. If, at the end of 75 years of the NHS looking after people from the cradle to the grave, we end up with 12% of the working age population so ill that they cannot do anything except wait for the welfare cheque to arrive then we need to rethink they whole of the Welfare State and not just the level of handouts. If after 13 years of Tory government that figure is much higher than it was, its time to re-think the government. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 19, 2023 17:16:44 GMT
Start again in what way?
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 19, 2023 20:32:59 GMT
If, at the end of 75 years of the NHS looking after people from the cradle to the grave, we end up with 12% of the working age population so ill that they cannot do anything except wait for the welfare cheque to arrive then we need to rethink they whole of the Welfare State and not just the level of handouts. If after 13 years of Tory government that figure is much higher than it was, its time to re-think the government. ...and vote for who? All I hear from all sides is arguments aimed at the delusional. There is only one way to improve the NHS, but nobody dare say it to the delusional electorate. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 19, 2023 20:42:04 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2023 21:02:06 GMT
If after 13 years of Tory government that figure is much higher than it was, its time to re-think the government. ...and vote for who? All I hear from all sides is arguments aimed at the delusional. There is only one way to improve the NHS, but nobody dare say it to the delusional electorate. In my case Labour. I find it hard to believe they could be worse than what we have now. 13 years of doldrum austerity setting us up for another 13 years of the same. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 19, 2023 21:21:36 GMT
...and vote for who? All I hear from all sides is arguments aimed at the delusional. There is only one way to improve the NHS, but nobody dare say it to the delusional electorate. In my case Labour. I find it hard to believe they could be worse than what we have now. 13 years of doldrum austerity setting us up for another 13 years of the same. I'm a Social Democrat at heart, but sorry, I'm not following these delusional arguments about austerity, and non-Dom etc. Every country in the EU had austerity after the financial crisis, it was virtually mandated by the EU if you didn't want to get fined for breaking its fiscals rules. If you going to claim we could have borrowed our way out of it then I refer you to what happened to the idiotic Liz Truss. So that is one bullshit populist argument down the pan, what else have you got? You can try non-Dom if you want, you can repeat Labour lies that it allows foreigners to avoid paying any tax in the UK, or falsely compare it to previous changes to higher tax bands. Please, please, please, can somebody give me a party that has grown up arguments... |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2023 21:26:30 GMT
In my case Labour. I find it hard to believe they could be worse than what we have now. 13 years of doldrum austerity setting us up for another 13 years of the same. I'm a Social Democrat at heart, but sorry, I'm not following these delusional arguments about austerity, and non-Dom etc. Every country in the EU had austerity after the financial crisis, it was virtually mandated by the EU if you didn't want to get fined for breaking its fiscals rules. If you going to claim we could have borrowed our way out of it then I refer you to what happened to the idiotic Liz Truss. So that is one bullshit populist argument down the pan, what else have you got? You can try non-Dom if you want, you can repeat Labour lies that it allows foreigners to avoid paying any tax in the UK, or falsely compare it to previous changes to higher tax bands. Please, please, please, can somebody give me a party that has grown up arguments... I disagree. The Eu countries did not slash their public services in the way the UK government did. And they saw better growth. And non dom allows foreigners living here to pay a fixed amount regardless of what they earn. If that's not an issue, can we all have the same please. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 19, 2023 21:46:39 GMT
I'm a Social Democrat at heart, but sorry, I'm not following these delusional arguments about austerity, and non-Dom etc. Every country in the EU had austerity after the financial crisis, it was virtually mandated by the EU if you didn't want to get fined for breaking its fiscals rules. If you going to claim we could have borrowed our way out of it then I refer you to what happened to the idiotic Liz Truss. So that is one bullshit populist argument down the pan, what else have you got? You can try non-Dom if you want, you can repeat Labour lies that it allows foreigners to avoid paying any tax in the UK, or falsely compare it to previous changes to higher tax bands. Please, please, please, can somebody give me a party that has grown up arguments... I disagree. The Eu countries did not slash their public services in the way the UK government did. And they saw better growth. And non dom allows foreigners living here to pay a fixed amount regardless of what they earn. If that's not an issue, can we all have the same please. Huh... so they had austerity without cutting public services... how exactly do you do that? lol. So you don't understand non-dom either... how predictable. They pay the fixed fee to avoid DOUBLE TAXATION on their FOREIGN INCOME. They still pay FULL TAX on their UK INCOME. If they bring any of that foreign income into the UK they pay tax on it. So explain how they avoid paying tax in the UK? Are they living off fresh air? You kind of made my point for me... people blindly parroting arguments instead of bothering to check out the facts. Are you really sure you what to vote for a Labour that lies to you? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 19, 2023 22:01:18 GMT
If, at the end of 75 years of the NHS looking after people from the cradle to the grave, we end up with 12% of the working age population so ill that they cannot do anything except wait for the welfare cheque to arrive then we need to rethink they whole of the Welfare State and not just the level of handouts. If after 13 years of Tory government that figure is much higher than it was, its time to re-think the government. 13 years of Tory government! OK I'm no maths genius but I reckon 2015 to 2024 is closer to nine years. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2023 22:07:23 GMT
I disagree. The Eu countries did not slash their public services in the way the UK government did. And they saw better growth. And non dom allows foreigners living here to pay a fixed amount regardless of what they earn. If that's not an issue, can we all have the same please. No they borrowed and grew there economies faster than we did I think I understand it fairly well. As a non dom you get to choose where you pay your tax. Its used by people to pay lower tax rate in another country while living in the UK. Do tell me Dave if it has no advantages then why do they use it? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2023 22:10:01 GMT
If after 13 years of Tory government that figure is much higher than it was, its time to re-think the government. ...and vote for who? All I hear from all sides is arguments aimed at the delusional. There is only one way to improve the NHS, but nobody dare say it to the delusional electorate. what makes you think the NHS is capable of improvement? |
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