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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2023 22:10:49 GMT
If, at the end of 75 years of the NHS looking after people from the cradle to the grave, we end up with 12% of the working age population so ill that they cannot do anything except wait for the welfare cheque to arrive then we need to rethink they whole of the Welfare State and not just the level of handouts. If after 13 years of Tory government that figure is much higher than it was, its time to re-think the government. yes because Labour are notorious for making welfare harder to get.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 19, 2023 22:14:45 GMT
I'm a Social Democrat at heart, but sorry, I'm not following these delusional arguments about austerity, and non-Dom etc. Every country in the EU had austerity after the financial crisis, it was virtually mandated by the EU if you didn't want to get fined for breaking its fiscals rules. If you going to claim we could have borrowed our way out of it then I refer you to what happened to the idiotic Liz Truss. So that is one bullshit populist argument down the pan, what else have you got? You can try non-Dom if you want, you can repeat Labour lies that it allows foreigners to avoid paying any tax in the UK, or falsely compare it to previous changes to higher tax bands. Please, please, please, can somebody give me a party that has grown up arguments... I disagree. The Eu countries did not slash their public services in the way the UK government did. And they saw better growth.what EU countries did you have in mind?  |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 19, 2023 22:59:32 GMT
Election bribes, they've just announced that every benefit layabout is going to have to find work. LOL.... they are cutting taxes for the few not the many. Announcing they are targeting lazy good for nothing on benefits 'before' a general election is political suicide. ......... LOL At least Labour aren't announcing those kinds of policies until 'After' the general election. Lazy good for nothings don't pay tax They don't pay income tax and any VAT is charged on goods they acquire is with taxpayers money |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 19, 2023 23:01:28 GMT
Inheritance tax should be cut if not abolished. Our threshold is way below much of Europe, let alone the US and hasn't kept pace with inflation. As ever, it's a tax on the poor since the rich have numerous ways to avoid it. For most, inheritance is only payable on estates over £1m. Bit of a stretch to call it a tax on the poor. Unmarried people have a 325000 threshold and those without children do not get the housing allowance |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 19, 2023 23:05:08 GMT
Almost right Squeezed but actually it makes no difference whether Alfred leaves his estate to his kids or to someone else. So in the first example of an estate worth £800k, Alfred’s kids each inherit unearned income of £400k each. In the second example where Alfred was a millionaire with an estate of £1.2m , tax of 40% on the excess over £1m is due and hence 80k tax (about 7% of total estate) is payable leaving Charlotte and David an unearned income of £560k each. Yes I agree (it wasn't clear that the other £400k was in addition to rather than instead of - I read it as £800k both ways). But I'm not sure you're right about the children bit: According to HMRC, the additional "Family home" allowance only kicks in when the property is left to the children or grand children. Most people with that level of wealth own property and most were married. I don't doubt it but my question was what percentage of estates are comprised of such? Some people would argue that if money is available to cut a tax, a tax on dead millionaires is the priority above for example living poorer people struggling to feed their families. That is for all to judge for themselves. Again, I'd take issue with the dead millionaires bit: In these days of astronomic house prices, that inheritance may well make the difference to whether Alfreds kids will be able to support themselves in older age or whether they'll end up as a burden to the state. But I think that we can agree that there's a lot to unpack with inheritance tax. The house allowance doesnt apply to grandchildren, nieces ,nephews, god children or your best friends kids |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 20, 2023 7:26:23 GMT
If after 13 years of Tory government that figure is much higher than it was, its time to re-think the government. yes because Labour are notorious for making welfare harder to get.. Hospital waiting lists, Not welfare. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 20, 2023 7:35:55 GMT
yes because Labour are notorious for making welfare harder to get.. Hospital waiting lists, Not welfare. Yes, Labours alleged improvements to the NHS are often trotted out. It's just a shame that they didn't appear in the real world. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 20, 2023 7:55:10 GMT
yes because Labour are notorious for making welfare harder to get.. Hospital waiting lists, Not welfare. have you ever been to Wales? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 20, 2023 16:34:34 GMT
Hospital waiting lists, Not welfare. Yes, Labours alleged improvements to the NHS are often trotted out. It's just a shame that they didn't appear in the real world. But they did and ae on record for all to see. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 20, 2023 16:35:21 GMT
Hospital waiting lists, Not welfare. have you ever been to Wales? Have you ever eaten seaweed? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 16:44:39 GMT
I disagree. The Eu countries did not slash their public services in the way the UK government did. And they saw better growth.what EU countries did you have in mind? It would appear that Zanygame would prefer to move away from this and move onto the next fantasy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 16:44:44 GMT
It’s the Autumn Statement next week - more important these days than the budget in the Spring. No doubt the Chancellor will be hoping to con the gullible electorate with a round of pre election giveaways. But what should he prioritise this time around 1) cut inheritance tax - literally a tax for dead millionaires 2) increase tax thresholds - easiest way to help those most in need but lacking election impact? 3) spend the money instead on healthcare 4) nothing - stop borrowing so much 5) something else What he should do and what he will do are likely to be two very different things. What he should do if he has any wriggle room for tax cutting is raise the basic rate and 40p rate tax thresholds, whilst investing more in the NHS and upgrading pensions, benefits, and the minimum wage at least in line with inflation. But I suspect the Tories have given up on the red wall voters and are going to engage in damage limitation by attempting to shore up support amongst their more traditional voters. So expect the usual pre-election bribes that go down well with these groups - cuts in the headline rate, and cuts in inheritance tax and stamp duty. Possibly even abolition of the 45p rate for the highest earners. This latter would go down very badly with the red wall voters but would play very well with traditional Tories. If the Tories really have given up on the former and want to shore up support from the latter, they may do this. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 20, 2023 16:45:14 GMT
have you ever been to Wales? Have you ever eaten seaweed? what has that to do with Labours management of the NHS? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 16:47:06 GMT
Inheritance tax should be cut if not abolished. Our threshold is way below much of Europe, let alone the US and hasn't kept pace with inflation. As ever, it's a tax on the poor since the rich have numerous ways to avoid it. Well thats a silly comment for a start. The poor do not have half a million quid hanging around, even in the form of bricks and mortar. Only the wealthiest few percent have enough to be liable for it as it stands. And cut in inheritance will benefit only the relatively rich. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 20, 2023 16:51:58 GMT
have you ever been to Wales? Have you ever eaten seaweed? Wow talk about swerving a question.
zany, Have you ever been to Wales?
Let's just fill you in then, Wales like Scotland they use their legislative powers as part of the devolution from UK Parliament, to run their own NHS services
Both Wales (Labour run) and Scotland (SNP) are failing miserably, it doesn't matter how much money central government give them, they squander it, they are totally incompetent, just like most Labour run councils are going ........ BUST
How long will they get away with blaming the Tories for their total failings.
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