Demographics is Destiny...Redux

We have been a multicultural society for longer than anyone realises. There was a large influx of French Huguenots in the 18th century, and of Irish Catholics in the 19th. There has long been a substantial Jewish minority here. Cultural, national or racial or even religious differences matter not. What matters is toleration for the dominant values of the society we live in and for each other - democracy, freedom of speech, the right to peaceful protest, live and let live, freedom of conscience, liberal mindedness. Those who reject these values whether they be migrants or indigenous to our nation are a potential problem.



By way of example, Oswald Mosley was a greater threat to our values than Yasmin Alibhai Brown, in spite of the fact that the former was white and born here and the later was an immigrant of Asian descent. That is because the latter fully accepted our cherished values and lived by them whilst the former chose to reject them.



So it is not actually where you come from that matters. It is whether or not you accept and respect and live by the values the majority of us hold dear. Some immigrants do not. Some people born here do not. But this is not true of all of them, so we should address this as a cultural issue and as a values issue, and not as a racial, ethnic or religious issue.

You make a claim that employment levels are somehow connected to the amount of integration in the country but are unable to articulate how - I'm simply trying to get you to expand on this thesis of yours but if you wish not to fair enough.

You mentioned integration. 

Its hardly a red herring Dan. If you wish me to be outraged at the decline of "white britishness" you have to define what you mean by "white britishness".  

My kids are white skinned but ethnically 25% German through their grandmother - a wartime refugee from East Prussia.

If they stay with their existing partners, as I very much hope they do and choose to have kids, there will be indian, west indian, irish and antipodean parental blood.  Presumably those kids would therefore not count as "white British" for your statistics. 

If one or more of those relationships do not survive, perhaps their next partners might have "white British" ancestry and their kids might therefore qualify in the "white british" column.  

Could you explain to me why you feel that categorisation matters in respect of my kids kids.  It is after all at the very centre of the question you have posed in this thread.

While I guess there is no other way to collect the information but by "self identification" , you will  presumably want the figures to be as accurate as possible and hence will seek to inform people what the terms mean before ticking the boxes.  

I note you have avoided the question I have asked you. Inconvenient?

Clearly a more scientifically accurate method of classifying the population by ethnic group would be desirable, and although they certainly exist, it would no doubt be condemned as racist to apply any of them. How about this, for example. Dappy? Scientific enough?