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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2023 19:24:54 GMT
A pervasive pattern of ignoring the actual problem To maintain the problem, because that's the agenda. I'm surprised he didn't report you and make demands to have you banned for daring to challenge him. There you go Orac. The sort of conversation you yearn for. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 19:30:02 GMT
To maintain the problem, because that's the agenda. I'm surprised he didn't report you and make demands to have you banned for daring to challenge him. There you go Orac. The sort of conversation you yearn for. I would imagine Orac is attempting to address the problem with solutions. You have no solution and you throw tantrums when this is pointed out to you, and I believe this is because you are driven by an agenda. To keep pushing the issue onto future generations where every square inch of land is built on is not a solution.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2023 19:36:46 GMT
There you go Orac. The sort of conversation you yearn for. I would imagine Orac is attempting to address the problem with solutions. You have no solution and you throw tantrums when this is pointed out to you, and I believe this is because you are driven by an agenda. To keep pushing the issue onto future generations where every square inch of land is built on is not a solution.
See Orac, its not just you who believes in Mr Strawman. He's right there for every little soul who can't argue against real people. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 19:39:34 GMT
I would imagine Orac is attempting to address the problem with solutions. You have no solution and you throw tantrums when this is pointed out to you, and I believe this is because you are driven by an agenda. To keep pushing the issue onto future generations where every square inch of land is built on is not a solution.
See Orac, its not just you who believes in Mr Strawman. He's right there for every little soul who can't argue against real people. The problem is you and those like you. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2023 20:23:45 GMT
See Orac, its not just you who believes in Mr Strawman. He's right there for every little soul who can't argue against real people. The problem is you and those like you. I know, but thank goodness you have Mr Strawman to help you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 20:35:06 GMT
The problem is you and those like you. I know, but thank goodness you have Mr Strawman to help you. The mistake I am making, but had to make, is to maintain any communication with you on this topic. The problem will continue to go unaddressed, which will obviously suit those who a motivated to do just that. This is proven by the fact that you claim you aren't interested in Orac's or my own opinions, yet persist in responding to them when it suits the agenda. Everything else is wriggling around the issue, which is ongoing. I believe Orac's sincerity when he is highlighting your pattern.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 17, 2023 22:19:44 GMT
LOL - the party funded by them and trained at Eaton brought in a Law that overrode local objections to allow mass housebuilding. The electorate (not surprisingly) then voted for other Party's who rejected that and wanted local people to have more of a say. This is where you keep going wrong - you think this is Party political. Yet still strangely not enough houses were built. simply because the policy was ditched as soon as it became apparent it was a vote loser.. ..which leads us neatly back to my original point - the people do not want more housebuilding near them. And that applies across the political spectrum - to your massive chagrin. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 8:36:56 GMT
Yet still strangely not enough houses were built. simply because the policy was ditched as soon as it became apparent it was a vote loser.. ..which leads us neatly back to my original point - the people do not want more housebuilding near them. And that applies across the political spectrum - to your massive chagrin. The point I answered by pointing out that they don't need to be built 'near them' MP's only allowing planning applications on sites where its likely to meet with strong objections. The green belt being used to ensure that is the case. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 18, 2023 8:46:17 GMT
simply because the policy was ditched as soon as it became apparent it was a vote loser.. ..which leads us neatly back to my original point - the people do not want more housebuilding near them. And that applies across the political spectrum - to your massive chagrin. The point I answered by pointing out that they don't need to be built 'near them'MP's only allowing planning applications on sites where its likely to meet with strong objections. The green belt being used to ensure that is the case. We are the most densely populated country in Europe - if it's not 'near them' where is this building supposed to go?. You also said before it's not a good idea to push people into areas where the chance of work is almost zero, so by definition you want to build near the existing infrastructure and housing. Of course the easy answer is to scrap the Town and Country Planning Act, 1947 that is at the root cause of our housing shortage today. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 9:59:17 GMT
The point I answered by pointing out that they don't need to be built 'near them'MP's only allowing planning applications on sites where its likely to meet with strong objections. The green belt being used to ensure that is the case. We are the most densely populated country in Europe - if it's not 'near them' where is this building supposed to go?. You also said before it's not a good idea to push people into areas where the chance of work is almost zero, so by definition you want to build near the existing infrastructure and housing. Of course the easy answer is to scrap the Town and Country Planning Act, 1947 that is at the root cause of our housing shortage today. Only 2% of England is built on. Only 14% is urban (As in gardens, football pitches, roads, carparks etc. ) And that total includes densely built areas like London. There are vast areas of crop fields that are overlooked by almost no one, perhaps a distant farm house. (8.7% is developed use and 91% agricultural, if that's an easier number to work with) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 10:25:22 GMT
I agree Sandy, they will only be solutions if we stop or dramatically reduce Immigration. Then I think normal development could cope with natural population growth. My thoughts are with where we are now. I think we could still be food stable if we use science to help. Also eat more in season and waste less. Perhaps a separate thread (What do you think?) Where we are now is an island nation that is rarely able to meet its own food needs, so the loss of any arable land is at best very risky and at worst idiocy (I class rewilding in the same bracket). Science, at least the Bill Gates variety, seems determined to have us eating artificial meat, and I strongly suspect that proper meat will still be available for those that can afford it. Perhaps we are quite close to Soylent Green already. There are several advantages to my solutions in that they deal with many aspects of our problems. Stopping immigration and deporting illegal immigrants stops overcrowding, cuts down our carbon footprint, enables the unemployed to find jobs and reduces terrorism risk. What is not to like. It ticks many boxes. Sure, it's all good and that's why it must all be opposed. The adults want overpopulation, further environmental damage and net-zero. I guess this explains why the adults run out in front of buses and sit in the road like spoilt told off toddlers who should be placed on reins. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 11:28:57 GMT
The ‘ adults’ do not have the courage to make or support hard decisions.
They are afraid that they will fall out of favour with the other ‘ adult’ virtue signallers who ‘ care’.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 11:43:32 GMT
The ‘ adults’ do not have the courage to make or support hard decisions. They are afraid that they will fall out of favour with the other ‘ adult’ virtue signallers who ‘ care’. Be interesting to see if the kids have any coherent plan, seen nothing so far beyond moaning about the adult decisions. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 18, 2023 11:57:50 GMT
The ‘ adults’ do not have the courage to make or support hard decisions. They are afraid that they will fall out of favour with the other ‘ adult’ virtue signallers who ‘ care’. Be interesting to see if the kids have any coherent plan, seen nothing so far beyond moaning about the adult decisions. Whilst following anything the WEF tell them. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 13:11:15 GMT
The ‘ adults’ do not have the courage to make or support hard decisions. They are afraid that they will fall out of favour with the other ‘ adult’ virtue signallers who ‘ care’. Be interesting to see if the kids have any coherent plan, seen nothing so far beyond moaning about the adult decisions. What decisions ? Ihaven’t seen a coherent plan from the ‘ adults ‘ either. Ive already told you that I believe that any migrant entering the UK via criminal gang traffickers should be denied UK citizenship and traffickers should be seen as a threat to UK security. All I see from the caring virtue signallers is moaning tbh. |
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