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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 14:56:40 GMT
Reform should have 50 seats with 8% of the vote under PR.
Greens would have nearly the same.
The whole FPTP system is really unjust.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 18, 2023 15:04:44 GMT
Reform should have 50 seats with 8% of the vote under PR. Greens would have nearly the same. The whole FPTP system is really unjust. Agree with you. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 18, 2023 15:06:20 GMT
That's only because you didn't understand what you posted. Here's the table from your link:  I understand fully. It's time you owned your shit. If you'd have understood, you could have answered the question. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 18, 2023 18:55:24 GMT
I understand fully. It's time you owned your shit. If you'd have understood, you could have answered the question. I do understand. Yet again you accuse me of ignorance. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 18, 2023 20:04:46 GMT
The latest polls from more credible polling companies have Refirm at 8% and 5% respectively. The “surge” appears so far to be imaginary.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 18, 2023 20:15:23 GMT
The latest polls from more credible polling companies have Refirm at 8% and 5% respectively. The “surge” appears so far to be imaginary. To be fair it is a surge from where they were, and they do seem to be picking up revolting Tory voters. However the net effect of that isn't going to result in representation in parliament. |
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 19, 2023 16:21:23 GMT
The latest polls from more credible polling companies have Refirm at 8% and 5% respectively. The “surge” appears so far to be imaginary. I dunno , I think many Tories are sticking around out of some sort of misled loyalty to their local MP's . As the GE approaches they will realise as a party that the games up and that Reform is the only alternative . |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 20, 2023 14:43:13 GMT
Reform UK goes back to Brexit as it looks to seize on Tory troubles
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 14:53:47 GMT
The latest polls from more credible polling companies have Refirm at 8% and 5% respectively. The “surge” appears so far to be imaginary. I dunno , I think many Tories are sticking around out of some sort of misled loyalty to their local MP's . As the GE approaches they will realise as a party that the games up and that Reform is the only alternative . I think you may be right. I'm loyal to the Tories, but every time Sunak opens his mouth that loyalty is tested further. I'm increasingly thinking, why not give Reform a chance. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 15:18:54 GMT
The latest polls from more credible polling companies have Refirm at 8% and 5% respectively. The “surge” appears so far to be imaginary. I don't know who Refirm are, was it a typo or are you trying to be clever (Dappy trying to be clever lol the very thought) However, according to YouGov, Reform UK polled 10% recently. Being a lefty you will of course sneer at Reform UK, and no doubt at YouGov too. No biggy. You may remember that UKIP with just 12% of the vote forced the government to allow a referendum which lead to Brexit. Did you sneer at UKIP too? I bet Farage was gutted. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 20, 2023 15:37:36 GMT
Just a typo I am afraid. Not sure what point I would be making even in jest by deliberately swapping the "o" for the adjacent "i". I confess I do sometimes have to remember which of reform and reclaim is which - as an aside surely they and UKIP and Heritage etc would be better of merging. Anyway not my problem.
I do notice in respect of Reform that the Express and GB news only ever highlight polls that show an increase in support for Reform and fail to mention ones from other and the same organisations that show them dropping. You for example fail to mention the Ipsos poll having them at 5% and Opinium at 9% both just a single point increased from last time. They exist and if their poll ratings transfer to the ballot box (which in all the byelections for some reason they do not), they may strip some vote away from the Tories at the next election. Lets hope so......
Two asides if I may
1) I bet you, Red, will eventually end up voting for a Sunak lead tory party at the next election. May I ask which constituency you will be in next year.
2) Be careful of polls by People Polling - often commissioned by Express and GB news. Their place in the trade body the BPA is I understand under threat for dodgy practice.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 16:09:23 GMT
Just a typo I am afraid. Not sure what point I would be making even in jest by deliberately swapping the "o" for the adjacent "i". I confess I do sometimes have to remember which of reform and reclaim is which - as an aside surely they and UKIP and Heritage etc would be better of merging. Anyway not my problem. I do notice in respect of Reform that the Express and GB news only ever highlight polls that show an increase in support for Reform and fail to mention ones from other and the same organisations that show them dropping. You for example fail to mention the Ipsos poll having them at 5% and Opinium at 9% both just a single point increased from last time. They exist and if their poll ratings transfer to the ballot box (which in all the byelections for some reason they do not), they may strip some vote away from the Tories at the next election. Lets hope so...... Two asides if I may 1) I bet you, Red, will eventually end up voting for a Sunak lead tory party at the next election. May I ask which constituency you will be in next year. 2) Be careful of polls by People Polling - often commissioned by Express and GB news. Their place in the trade body the BPA is I understand under threat for dodgy practice. Polls are readily available to anyone with access to google. As for my voting intentions, unsure. I'm a Tory voter but I may vote Reform. A week is a long time in politics and the next election may be 12 months away. The constituency I will be in next year is oddly enough, the same constituency I'm in now, Stafford. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 20, 2023 16:29:13 GMT
Just a typo I am afraid. Not sure what point I would be making even in jest by deliberately swapping the "o" for the adjacent "i". I confess I do sometimes have to remember which of reform and reclaim is which - as an aside surely they and UKIP and Heritage etc would be better of merging. Anyway not my problem. I do notice in respect of Reform that the Express and GB news only ever highlight polls that show an increase in support for Reform and fail to mention ones from other and the same organisations that show them dropping. You for example fail to mention the Ipsos poll having them at 5% and Opinium at 9% both just a single point increased from last time. They exist and if their poll ratings transfer to the ballot box (which in all the byelections for some reason they do not), they may strip some vote away from the Tories at the next election. Lets hope so...... Two asides if I may 1) I bet you, Red, will eventually end up voting for a Sunak lead tory party at the next election. May I ask which constituency you will be in next year. 2) Be careful of polls by People Polling - often commissioned by Express and GB news. Their place in the trade body the BPA is I understand under threat for dodgy practice. Polls are readily available to anyone with access to google. As for my voting intentions, unsure. I'm a Tory voter but I may vote Reform. A week is a long time in politics and the next election may be 12 months away. The constituency I will be in next year is oddly enough, the same constituency I'm in now, Stafford. Indeed. "Britain Elects" on twitters records all polls from reputable (BPA member) companies to save you having to search separately. Not sure if that comment was a reaction to the issues with the objectivity of polls by People Polling? Stafford looks like a Tory safe seat but at the next election Electoral Calculus www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Stafford has it going Labour comfortably. I expect the polls to close a little before then so I would have thought you will be seen to be a marginal then. You'll cave and vote tory. By the way not totally convinced they won't go earlier than you expect - maybe early May at the same time as the locals. You assume that all will be in the same constituency as last time. Doesn't work like that. Without moving house, I am moving constituency next time around for example - from one pretty safe Tory seat to another sadly. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 20, 2023 16:49:29 GMT
Your position is not in dispute. If you had followed the thread you would have known I was referring to a particular period in history, i.e. the period when Wilson offered financial help to industry, there was a complaint at that time that businesses were paying out all their profits to investors at the expense of reinvestment and maintenance of machinery. Do you not think that a 98% tax rate on investment income might not have had rather more to do with the dearth of investment in the UK at that time? It might have but you would need to give the periods it ran for in order to get some idea of why it was introduced, for instance was it introduced before or after Wilson's attempt to get industry moving? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 20, 2023 16:51:45 GMT
The latest polls from more credible polling companies have Refirm at 8% and 5% respectively. The “surge” appears so far to be imaginary. I dunno , I think many Tories are sticking around out of some sort of misled loyalty to their local MP's . As the GE approaches they will realise as a party that the games up and that Reform is the only alternative . No right-wing government is, or ever has been, the answer to anything. |
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