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Post by sheepy on Jan 27, 2024 15:06:01 GMT
Thomas is a Scottish nationalist, he sees no advantage in taking Scotland back into the EU via the UK parliament, it would pretty much destroy the last few years on what Scottish nationalism has stood on. It just politics Einstein not rocket science. Thomas attacks New labour on every front not just on the EU . He agrees with everything the right wingers say about labour party. I even remember having Conversation with him about the mess the NHS was and he even said that it was in a better state then when labour was in power. He's still insisting that labour was Responsible for Making Glasgow Bankrupt. I've asked him several times to provide proof but upto know he hasn't. He very strange for a so Called socialist taking right wingers side at every opportunity. His political views seem very twisted. No, his agenda is just different, him and I know if Westminster do the deed, it sets Scottish nationalism on its backside. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 15:06:42 GMT
you must not conflate the inevitable collapse in snp support , with the end of Scottish independence. With 50 % on average , and growing. , support in the polls for scot indy , it's the highest level it's been in my lifetime. Only the over 65 age group in scotland have a unionist majority. it's a ticking time bomb , and the collapse of the snp isn't going to save the union. But I just told you the Westminster party has one of their compromise plans afoot, you get what you asked for, the EU gets what they want and as usual feck everybody else majority or not. It will all turn out to their advantage in the end. Risky but there you go its most definitely on the table, we all know once part of the EU they crush any signs of independence unless they see advantage for themselves in it. So once you are part of the EU again what point it be to divide the UK further, much easier to control under one roof. sounds good to me sheepwash. Who am I to argue with the English elite , when they tell you they are that desperate to hold onto scotland , they are going to sell the English down the river to keep us? ive got the popcorn ready. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 15:07:46 GMT
Thomas is a Scottish nationalist, he sees no advantage in taking Scotland back into the EU via the UK parliament, it would pretty much destroy the last few years on what Scottish nationalism has stood on. It just politics Einstein not rocket science. His political views seem very twisted. That's your problem lefty. Your inability to think outside the two party box is your weakness , not mine. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 27, 2024 15:09:10 GMT
But I just told you the Westminster party has one of their compromise plans afoot, you get what you asked for, the EU gets what they want and as usual feck everybody else majority or not. It will all turn out to their advantage in the end. Risky but there you go its most definitely on the table, we all know once part of the EU they crush any signs of independence unless they see advantage for themselves in it. So once you are part of the EU again what point it be to divide the UK further, much easier to control under one roof. sounds good to me sheepwash. Who am I to argue with the English elite , when they tell you they are that desperate to hold onto scotland , they are going to sell the English down the river to keep us? ive got the popcorn ready. I am having no part in it, let it be on their own heads. Same as that get the popcorn ready. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 15:12:35 GMT
sounds good to me sheepwash. Who am I to argue with the English elite , when they tell you they are that desperate to hold onto scotland , they are going to sell the English down the river to keep us? ive got the popcorn ready. I am having no part in it, let it be on their own heads. Same as that get the popcorn ready. dont take any of their shit sheepy. I know you dont like the Westminster party anyway , but still. I know you aren't having any of this European nonsense. The tartan army have informed members not to take the piss too much this summer with the English fans , about the EU , and have written to our counterparts across Europe asking them to restrain their members also. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 27, 2024 15:13:47 GMT
Most of the provable lies and insinuations came from the Brexit side, sounds like you are proud of that. My main objection to Brexit before the referendum was that the UK had serious weaknesses in educational, financial, industrial and social. Which IMO needed strengthening Before leaving the EU.
I asked a question, it seems you didn't like it. It is a fact that the further to the right our politics go, the closer to fascism we get. If those weaknesses had not been solved after 4 decades of EU membership would waiting a bit longe have made a difference? I can't think of any institution that's perfect, but there are some that are less imperfect and give more towards a happy and healthy life than others. And I'd put the EU among the institutions and organisations that made life in the UK easier for the majority — if only by seeming to allow holidaymakers access to cheaper booze and fags, and better cars at reasonable prices... |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 15:15:40 GMT
Of course Stanmer wanted to delay the result of the referendum he had forsight what Damage Brexit would do to the Country. And he's proven right has we will see when we get another Labour Government. He didnt want to delay the result. He died to undemocratically overturn it , and had his arse handed to him on a plate in 2019. You could argue starmers stupidity made Brexit even worse. Like I said he had forsight what Brevit done to the Country and he's proven right by the State the Country in. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 15:17:08 GMT
He didnt want to delay the result. He died to undemocratically overturn it , and had his arse handed to him on a plate in 2019. You could argue starmers stupidity made Brexit even worse. Like I said he had forsight what Brevit done to the Country and he's proven right by the State the Country in. no one likes a sore loser. you can't change the rules of the game simply because you lose. you implement the result , then you go again..... |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 15:19:36 GMT
If those weaknesses had not been solved after 4 decades of EU membership would waiting a bit longe have made a difference? I can't think of any institution that's perfect, but there are some that are less imperfect and give more towards a happy and healthy life than others. And I'd put the EU among the institutions and organisations that made life in the UK easier for the majority — if only by seeming to allow holidaymakers access to cheaper booze and fags, and better cars at reasonable prices... I agree pat , but unfortunately , the English simply just dont want to be europeans. I think pacifico , and many others might just be a tad angry about rejoin , renegotiate , or whatever starmer is going to call his Brexit sell out. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 15:20:13 GMT
Thomas attacks New labour on every front not just on the EU . He agrees with everything the right wingers say about labour party. I even remember having Conversation with him about the mess the NHS was and he even said that it was in a better state then when labour was in power. He's still insisting that labour was Responsible for Making Glasgow Bankrupt. I've asked him several times to provide proof but upto know he hasn't. He very strange for a so Called socialist taking right wingers side at every opportunity. His political views seem very twisted. No, his agenda is just different, him and I know if Westminster do the deed, it sets Scottish nationalism on its backside. I've said to Thomas I'm in Support of Scotlands independence but seeing how the Scottish Nationalist have made such a Cock up with Governance of Scotland it makes one Wonder how Scotland will manage with Independence. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 27, 2024 15:24:19 GMT
I am having no part in it, let it be on their own heads. Same as that get the popcorn ready. dont take any of their shit sheepy. I know you dont like the Westminster party anyway , but still. I know you aren't having any of this European nonsense. The tartan army have informed members not to take the piss too much this summer with the English fans , about the EU , and have written to our counterparts across Europe asking them to restrain their members also. I did my bit for a few decades, the choice of direct democracy was always there, but like rabbits caught in the headlights they either got ran over or ran away. I can't say it even bothers me that much. It will happen one day, just not today. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 15:24:44 GMT
No, his agenda is just different, him and I know if Westminster do the deed, it sets Scottish nationalism on its backside. I've said to Thomas I'm in Support of Scotlands independence but seeing how the Scottish Nationalist have made such a Cock up with Governance of Scotland it makes one Wonder how Scotland will manage with Independence. The snp are simply one party , of many who support scot indy , and for the first seven years of governance under Alec Salmond , its widely agreed the then old snp ran a good administration that was far superior to the previous labour one , or labour in Wales or westminster. I will be voting against labour at every election , as I always do. Irrespective of arguments like Brexit or scot indy , labour are scum who cannot be trusted in government . |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 15:25:50 GMT
dont take any of their shit sheepy. I know you dont like the Westminster party anyway , but still. I know you aren't having any of this European nonsense. The tartan army have informed members not to take the piss too much this summer with the English fans , about the EU , and have written to our counterparts across Europe asking them to restrain their members also. I did my bit for a few decades, the choice of direct democracy was always there, but like rabbits caught in the headlights they either got ran over or ran away. I can't say it even bothers me that much. It will happen one day, just not today. stand firm sheepy , use your vote wisely , and keep labour out at all costs. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 27, 2024 15:26:21 GMT
Like I said he had forsight what Brevit done to the Country and he's proven right by the State the Country in. no one likes a sore loser. you can't change the rules of the game simply because you lose. you implement the result , then you go again..... Nothing to do with because remain lost .Remain gave a out and out warning what effect leaving the EU. Will do the Remain party included tories and Many Business man . Like I said to red that the referendum closed polical lines . |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 27, 2024 15:27:12 GMT
I did my bit for a few decades, the choice of direct democracy was always there, but like rabbits caught in the headlights they either got ran over or ran away. I can't say it even bothers me that much. It will happen one day, just not today. stand firm sheepy , use your vote wisely , and keep labour out at all costs. It really doesn't matter who you vote for we all know that anyway. Same shit different day. |
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