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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 17:21:19 GMT
Of course they do which makes the whole concept of how to measure it ridiculous. If we are intent on reducing our emissions we should stop immigration in total as all immigrants do is increase our emissions no matter what they do. The whole thing is a giant mess where our politicians are trying to be good to all people and the planet in a statesmanlike fashion and making those of us already here significantly worse off in the process. We can by all means be worse off but at least be less crowded and have better access to services and houses. I think there are far better reasons to stop immigration than climate change. When did you change your mind about immigration? Have a few moved into your area? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 6, 2024 17:25:45 GMT
They have forecast down here that starting tomorrow it will be minus degrees with a high of 3 for the next week. I wonder when the doom merchants will start naming the frosts we will get. No. But they will watch for another arctic bloom that caused the minus 10's we got last year. Still I'm sure you would be happy to fund new road surfaces capable of handling such temperatures, new underground water pipes the same. Rather than wasting all that money making our own power from renewables. FFS it gets a tad colder in winter who ever would have thunked it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2024 17:29:27 GMT
LOL (Genuine LOL btw) I can almost sense your left wing outrage. Apparently, any enjoyment from a right wing media source is supposed to be a bad thing on this forum. The fanatical far-left do nothing but try and belittle people for not limiting themselves to far-left propaganda. Still, I'm glad you can laugh about it. I think lefties are brilliant, barking but brilliant. Talking to a lefty is more entertaining than TV these days that's for sure. Unless you're watching GB News of course, the only sensible unbiased news channel on TV. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 6, 2024 17:32:44 GMT
Of course they do which makes the whole concept of how to measure it ridiculous. If we are intent on reducing our emissions we should stop immigration in total as all immigrants do is increase our emissions no matter what they do. The whole thing is a giant mess where our politicians are trying to be good to all people and the planet in a statesmanlike fashion and making those of us already here significantly worse off in the process. We can by all means be worse off but at least be less crowded and have better access to services and houses. I think there are far better reasons to stop immigration than climate change. Indeed there are however if climate change is so important that we have pull in our belts and almost self immolate to protect the planet then, as a reason, it should assume in the minds of warmists critical importance. The fact it rarely does and that those who advocate strict reduction of CO2 emissions for some reason also tend to be advocates of no borders or lots of immigration lends the lie to their keenness to do both. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 19:06:09 GMT
I think there are far better reasons to stop immigration than climate change. When did you change your mind about immigration? Have a few moved into your area? I never have. I've been saying this country is overcrowded for years. My position on the old forum was the same. I think the confusion comes from the fact I don't hate immigrants. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 19:09:28 GMT
I think there are far better reasons to stop immigration than climate change. Indeed there are however if climate change is so important that we have pull in our belts and almost self immolate to protect the planet then, as a reason, it should assume in the minds of warmists critical importance. The fact it rarely does and that those who advocate strict reduction of CO2 emissions for some reason also tend to be advocates of no borders or lots of immigration lends the lie to their keenness to do both. Removing humans from one country into another does very little to lower emissions. But you're just interested in getting our emissions down. Not global ones. In fact you're not even interested in that. Your just interested in kicking out the fuzzywuzzies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 19:20:31 GMT
When did you change your mind about immigration? Have a few moved into your area? I never have. I've been saying this country is overcrowded for years. My position on the old forum was the same. I think the confusion comes from the fact I don't hate immigrants. Interesting. It's easy to say other people hate immigrants since it can lead to accusations of xenophobia and racism, which was a big part of the Remain campaign. Still, I am not doubting you, just questioning motives and the politics of those who were supporting free movement, which led to higher concentrations or people in this part of the world. Considering your aim today is to reduce emissions from people in THIS country then arguing for immigration wouldn't be the most plausible position.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 19:42:07 GMT
I never have. I've been saying this country is overcrowded for years. My position on the old forum was the same. I think the confusion comes from the fact I don't hate immigrants. Interesting. It's easy to say other people hate immigrants since it can lead to accusations of xenophobia and racism, which was a big part of the Remain campaign. Still, I am not doubting you, just questioning motives and the politics of those who were supporting free movement, which led to higher concentrations or people in this part of the world. Considering your aim today is to reduce emissions from people in THIS country then arguing for immigration wouldn't be the most plausible position.
My comments on those hating immigrants are based on the comment they make on here. (Things like not being bothered if they die being pushed across the channel away from us) Anyway that's a sticky subject, lets address your question. Here you hit a whole new issue. My reasons for wanting to stay in the EU were not an all and everything. I felt there were real problems with FoM especially with English being the second language of so many countries and our benefits and NHS system so easily abused. On the other hand I thought the risk of becoming a small country again in a world of ever coalescing super powers (China America APEC CPTPP etc was catastrophic. As we no longer have any edge in technology, wealth, mineral resources to barter with. So it was a tough decision for me, especially as it became so tribal. Sorry for the over long answer. My hope was in a letter addressed to Mr Cameron from the EU in which they offered a 4 year moratorium on FoM to allow us time to put measures in place to limit and control movement (Such schemes exist in most other EU countries) The fact Mr Camron kept stum about the letter leads me to believe the Tories wanted open doors and cheap labour and thought they would not lose the referendum vote. That's it in a nutshell. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2024 20:22:38 GMT
Here you hit a whole new issue. My reasons for wanting to stay in the EU were not an all and everything. I felt there were real problems with FoM especially with English being the second language of so many countries and our benefits and NHS system so easily abused. On the other hand I thought the risk of becoming a small country again in a world of ever coalescing super powers (China America APEC CPTPP etc was catastrophic. As we no longer have any edge in technology, wealth, mineral resources to barter with. So it was a tough decision for me, especially as it became so tribal. Sorry for the over long answer. My hope was in a letter addressed to Mr Cameron from the EU in which they offered a 4 year moratorium on FoM to allow us time to put measures in place to limit and control movement (Such schemes exist in most other EU countries) The fact Mr Camron kept stum about the letter leads me to believe the Tories wanted open doors and cheap labour and thought they would not lose the referendum vote. That's it in a nutshell. Apologies for butting in, but it wasn't just the immigration or FoM issue that pushed people to vote for brexit. The loss of sovereignty was far more important. Of course this was played down by Major in 1992 and by every pro EU politician before and since. But the fact is, and it is a fact, Major signing Maastricht and in doing do handed British sovereignty to the EU without the consent of the British people, an act of treason that was always going to cause problems in the future. We were already in the EEC, a non political free trade area. Why did we need to join and become subservient to a very centralised and political union in order to trade with Europe? We were already doing this as a member of the EEC. ZG, the EU is a monster that has got out of control. It was essentially a plan (Schuman plan) to ensure war in Europe could never happen again, but over the decades megalomaniacs have gone power mad and we have ended up with a small cabal of unelected commissioners who govern 27 countries, now called EU states, from behind closed doors in Belgium! This was not Schuman's plan, but it is what Schuman's plan like a monster has morphed into. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 20:29:35 GMT
Here you hit a whole new issue. My reasons for wanting to stay in the EU were not an all and everything. I felt there were real problems with FoM especially with English being the second language of so many countries and our benefits and NHS system so easily abused. On the other hand I thought the risk of becoming a small country again in a world of ever coalescing super powers (China America APEC CPTPP etc was catastrophic. As we no longer have any edge in technology, wealth, mineral resources to barter with. So it was a tough decision for me, especially as it became so tribal. Sorry for the over long answer. My hope was in a letter addressed to Mr Cameron from the EU in which they offered a 4 year moratorium on FoM to allow us time to put measures in place to limit and control movement (Such schemes exist in most other EU countries) The fact Mr Camron kept stum about the letter leads me to believe the Tories wanted open doors and cheap labour and thought they would not lose the referendum vote. That's it in a nutshell. Apologies for butting in, but it wasn't just the immigration or FoM issue that pushed people to vote for brexit. The loss of sovereignty was far more important. Of course this was played down by Major in 1992 and by every pro EU politician before and since. But the fact is, and it is a fact, Major signing Maastricht and in doing do handed British sovereignty to the EU without the consent of the British people, an act of treason that was always going to cause problems in the future. We were already in the EEC, a non political free trade area. Why did we need to join and become subservient to a very centralised and political union in order to trade with Europe? We were already doing this as a member of the EEC. ZG, the EU is a monster that has got out of control. It was essentially a plan (Schuman plan) to ensure war in Europe could never happen again, but over the decades megalomaniacs have gone power mad and we have ended up with a small cabal of unelected commissioners who govern 27 countries, now called EU states, from behind closed doors in Belgium! This was not Schuman's plan, but it is what Schuman's plan like a monster has morphed into. Apologies Red, but I have no desire to turn this thread into a Brexit one. So I will limit my responses to B4's specific question about immigration. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2024 20:32:57 GMT
Apologies for butting in, but it wasn't just the immigration or FoM issue that pushed people to vote for brexit. The loss of sovereignty was far more important. Of course this was played down by Major in 1992 and by every pro EU politician before and since. But the fact is, and it is a fact, Major signing Maastricht and in doing do handed British sovereignty to the EU without the consent of the British people, an act of treason that was always going to cause problems in the future. We were already in the EEC, a non political free trade area. Why did we need to join and become subservient to a very centralised and political union in order to trade with Europe? We were already doing this as a member of the EEC. ZG, the EU is a monster that has got out of control. It was essentially a plan (Schuman plan) to ensure war in Europe could never happen again, but over the decades megalomaniacs have gone power mad and we have ended up with a small cabal of unelected commissioners who govern 27 countries, now called EU states, from behind closed doors in Belgium! This was not Schuman's plan, but it is what Schuman's plan like a monster has morphed into. Apologies Red, but I have no desire to turn this thread into a Brexit one. So I will limit my responses to B4's specific question about immigration. I accept your surrender.  |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 21:04:11 GMT
Apologies Red, but I have no desire to turn this thread into a Brexit one. So I will limit my responses to B4's specific question about immigration. I accept your surrender. Feel free to open that can of worms on a new thread. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2024 21:09:25 GMT
I accept your surrender. Feel free to open that can of worms on a new thread. Your surrender was unconditional, you are in no position to make demands. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 21:30:04 GMT
Feel free to open that can of worms on a new thread. Your surrender was unconditional, you are in no position to make demands. Treat me gently.  My wife said our cat needed to be chipped. I only had a nine iron but I still managed to get him over the shed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 21:58:14 GMT
Interesting. It's easy to say other people hate immigrants since it can lead to accusations of xenophobia and racism, which was a big part of the Remain campaign. Still, I am not doubting you, just questioning motives and the politics of those who were supporting free movement, which led to higher concentrations or people in this part of the world. Considering your aim today is to reduce emissions from people in THIS country then arguing for immigration wouldn't be the most plausible position.
My comments on those hating immigrants are based on the comment they make on here. (Things like not being bothered if they die being pushed across the channel away from us) Anyway that's a sticky subject, lets address your question. Here you hit a whole new issue. My reasons for wanting to stay in the EU were not an all and everything. I felt there were real problems with FoM especially with English being the second language of so many countries and our benefits and NHS system so easily abused. On the other hand I thought the risk of becoming a small country again in a world of ever coalescing super powers (China America APEC CPTPP etc was catastrophic. As we no longer have any edge in technology, wealth, mineral resources to barter with. So it was a tough decision for me, especially as it became so tribal. Sorry for the over long answer. My hope was in a letter addressed to Mr Cameron from the EU in which they offered a 4 year moratorium on FoM to allow us time to put measures in place to limit and control movement (Such schemes exist in most other EU countries) The fact Mr Camron kept stum about the letter leads me to believe the Tories wanted open doors and cheap labour and thought they would not lose the referendum vote. That's it in a nutshell. Well, those crossing the channel in dingies aren't immigrants, they're people abusing asylum and breaking into the country. Plus, this was post-brexit whilst the founding EU country was allowing it. Surrendering to the EU out of fear of China and America obviously didn't outweigh the problems the country was facing because of the EU. It would appear that the politics of fear failed to convince the people, but it's helpful to know what the EU's ambitions are, considering we were told it had no such ambitions. The EU's word is meaningless as shown by the boat people that were weaponised. They had a chance and thought they could bully the UK, and have done so ever since. |
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