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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2024 12:37:55 GMT
I already said. Houses for everyone already here. WE INVITED THEM. You tell me Red what would you do with the 500,000 immigrants invited to live here last year or the year before. Would you throw them out, push them into the sea? Oh and FYI 330,000 of those 800,000 were from Ukraine. I would stop nearly all new immigrants coming. Offer short term contracts for those we do need. But yes I would build enough homes for everyone already here. Some numbers for you There are 24.6 million homes in the UK at this time covering 7% of the land. We need to build another 1.8 million homes to provide enough for the people living here today That's 0.07% more homes. Yes that's right 0.07% moreSo that would mean increasing the land covered to 7.4% of the UK. No one would even notice. You're locking the door after the horse has bolted. We 'invited' who? We didn't invite hundreds of thousands of illegals who pay criminals in the 'safe' EU for a place in a cross channel dingy, and yes after a suitable period of internment I would throw them out. For Christs sake I don't understand you lefties. Anyone who arrives in this country via a regular route has the right to claim asylum. Anyone who arrives in this country without any ID and via an irregular route ie: in a cross channel dingy or in the back of a lorry, has broken the law and is therefor a criminal. These criminals should interred in uncomfortable secure camps until their identity can be established. They should then be returned to their country of origin, if that country is deemed unsafe they should be returned to the last safe country there were in, the EU. And if we had a prime minister with any balls that's what would be happening. You claim you would build enough houses for people already here, how long do you think that would take? According to Migration Watch the government would have to build 650,000 new homes a year just to keep pace with current levels of immigration, that's not including domestic needs, and no government for decades has built anywhere near that number of new houses. And when these new homes are handed to illegals see Chertsey, Farnborough and no doubt multiple other locations, ahead of local people what do you think the reaction will be? ZG, immigration illegal or otherwise will prove to be a political disaster not just in the UK but across Europe too. People have had enough. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 6, 2024 15:17:44 GMT
The video was using the official measured temperatures and applying them to expand the measure earlier than 1960 which showed the 1930s were more severe in terms of hot days. Why this insistence that official data is the silver bullet of detail yet hate people using the official data to show that that which is claimed is just false? At most the Times is guilty of manipulating the figures to impress the public. The earlier figures were not hidden from the public by the IPCC etc. The video maker found it easy to get the missing measurements. The point is the 'missing measurements' tell a different story than the measurements used to tell the story of 'hottest run of days ever'. One minute warmist are referring to 120,000 years periods then 30 years periods, then 150 years periods as long as how they tell it results in catastrophic warming. Perhaps sceptics tell it to show not much increase, however what is clear is that both use the official data and if the accusation is cherry picking then that, certainly in this instance, was a warmist misdemeanour. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 6, 2024 15:38:09 GMT
That we breath cleaner air? Your comment ignores the fact that many countries are cutting emissions. We also started out dirtier than other countries. Easy to say you've cleared up more when there was more to clean up. In emissions per capita by country Austria 12th Belgium 15th Germany 50th France 66th UK 69th. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capitaSo lets stop pretending we've done enough and are carrying others. I know that's the message the Tories are trying to spread in their desperation to be popular. Your link is at best unclear. Emissions per capita is not a good picture and the way emissions are measured leaves a lot to be desired. With per capita if thousands leave Albania their per capita emissions go up, and if they all come here our per capita emissions go down. Which makes little sense. The reality is that each person has an emission total and most of us here in the UK are significantly less than millions, possibly billions, of other individuals in the world yet the demands are for us to tighten our belts. It makes no sense if the desire is to reduce emissions. The whole concept seems to arrive at the 'little people' have to use a lot less so that the elite can maintain their lifestyles. Strange as it may seem I have no access to a private jet but I know many who have. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 6, 2024 15:58:07 GMT
We also started out dirtier than other countries. Easy to say you've cleared up more when there was more to clean up. In emissions per capita by country Austria 12th Belgium 15th Germany 50th France 66th UK 69th. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capitaSo lets stop pretending we've done enough and are carrying others. I know that's the message the Tories are trying to spread in their desperation to be popular. Your link is at best unclear. Emissions per capita is not a good picture and the way emissions are measured leaves a lot to be desired. With per capita if thousands leave Albania their per capita emissions go up, and if they all come here our per capita emissions go down. Which makes little sense. The reality is that each person has an emission total and most of us here in the UK are significantly less than millions, possibly billions, of other individuals in the world yet the demands are for us to tighten our belts. It makes no sense if the desire is to reduce emissions. The whole concept seems to arrive at the 'little people' have to use a lot less so that the elite can maintain their lifestyles. Strange as it may seem I have no access to a private jet but I know many who have. They have forecast down here that starting tomorrow it will be minus degrees with a high of 3 for the next week. I wonder when the doom merchants will start naming the frosts we will get. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 16:18:23 GMT
I already said. Houses for everyone already here. WE INVITED THEM. You tell me Red what would you do with the 500,000 immigrants invited to live here last year or the year before. Would you throw them out, push them into the sea? Oh and FYI 330,000 of those 800,000 were from Ukraine. I would stop nearly all new immigrants coming. Offer short term contracts for those we do need. But yes I would build enough homes for everyone already here. Some numbers for you There are 24.6 million homes in the UK at this time covering 7% of the land. We need to build another 1.8 million homes to provide enough for the people living here today That's 0.07% more homes. Yes that's right 0.07% moreSo that would mean increasing the land covered to 7.4% of the UK. No one would even notice. You're locking the door after the horse has bolted. We 'invited' who? We didn't invite hundreds of thousands of illegals who pay criminals in the 'safe' EU for a place in a cross channel dingy, and yes after a suitable period of internment I would throw them out. For Christs sake I don't understand you lefties. Anyone who arrives in this country via a regular route has the right to claim asylum. Anyone who arrives in this country without any ID and via an irregular route ie: in a cross channel dingy or in the back of a lorry, has broken the law and is therefor a criminal. These criminals should interred in uncomfortable secure camps until their identity can be established. They should then be returned to their country of origin, if that country is deemed unsafe they should be returned to the last safe country there were in, the EU. And if we had a prime minister with any balls that's what would be happening. FFS You were not talking about Illegal migrants. You were talking about the 800,000 that come here every year. We do not have 800,000 illegal migrants arrive here each year or any year. You've become fucking impossible to talk to. YES I ALSO SAID. I would stop nearly all new immigrants coming. Offer short term contracts for those we do need. But yes I would build enough homes for everyone already here. That must be loud enough to penetrate even your thick squaddie skull. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 6, 2024 16:23:57 GMT
We also started out dirtier than other countries. Easy to say you've cleared up more when there was more to clean up. In emissions per capita by country Austria 12th Belgium 15th Germany 50th France 66th UK 69th. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capitaSo lets stop pretending we've done enough and are carrying others. I know that's the message the Tories are trying to spread in their desperation to be popular. Your link is at best unclear. Emissions per capita is not a good picture and the way emissions are measured leaves a lot to be desired. With per capita if thousands leave Albania their per capita emissions go up, and if they all come here our per capita emissions go down. Which makes little sense. The reality is that each person has an emission total and most of us here in the UK are significantly less than millions, possibly billions, of other individuals in the world yet the demands are for us to tighten our belts. It makes no sense if the desire is to reduce emissions. The whole concept seems to arrive at the 'little people' have to use a lot less so that the elite can maintain their lifestyles. Strange as it may seem I have no access to a private jet but I know many who have. Immigrants need shoes and clothing, food and water, transport, gas and electricity, somewhere to sleep, medical treatment etc. they add to the production of greenhouse gasses. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 6, 2024 16:26:51 GMT
We 'invited' who? We didn't invite hundreds of thousands of illegals who pay criminals in the 'safe' EU for a place in a cross channel dingy, and yes after a suitable period of internment I would throw them out. For Christs sake I don't understand you lefties. Anyone who arrives in this country via a regular route has the right to claim asylum. Anyone who arrives in this country without any ID and via an irregular route ie: in a cross channel dingy or in the back of a lorry, has broken the law and is therefor a criminal. These criminals should interred in uncomfortable secure camps until their identity can be established. They should then be returned to their country of origin, if that country is deemed unsafe they should be returned to the last safe country there were in, the EU. And if we had a prime minister with any balls that's what would be happening. FFS You were not talking about Illegal migrants. You were talking about the 800,000 that come here every year. We do not have 800,000 illegal migrants arrive here each year or any year. You've become fucking impossible to talk to. YES I ALSO SAID. I would stop nearly all new immigrants coming. Offer short term contracts for those we do need. But yes I would build enough homes for everyone already here. That must be loud enough to penetrate even your thick squaddie skull. He is a fan of right-wing GB news, which feeds into his already owned bias, so don't expect to much from him. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 16:27:22 GMT
We also started out dirtier than other countries. Easy to say you've cleared up more when there was more to clean up. In emissions per capita by country Austria 12th Belgium 15th Germany 50th France 66th UK 69th. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capitaSo lets stop pretending we've done enough and are carrying others. I know that's the message the Tories are trying to spread in their desperation to be popular. Your link is at best unclear. Emissions per capita is not a good picture and the way emissions are measured leaves a lot to be desired. With per capita if thousands leave Albania their per capita emissions go up, and if they all come here our per capita emissions go down. Which makes little sense. The reality is that each person has an emission total and most of us here in the UK are significantly less than millions, possibly billions, of other individuals in the world yet the demands are for us to tighten our belts. It makes no sense if the desire is to reduce emissions. The whole concept seems to arrive at the 'little people' have to use a lot less so that the elite can maintain their lifestyles. Strange as it may seem I have no access to a private jet but I know many who have. Emission per capita seems about the fairest way to do it. How would you measure it? And NO. If thousands leave Albania then thousands stop burning carbon. 1,000's use less cars, less heating, less shops, less hospitals, less electricity, less gas. In fact if 1,000's of Albanians came here the fact we use more renewables would reduce their individual Co2 footprint. I'll recommend it to my MP.  AND. No one has ever suggested we in the UK do it alone. Almost every major creator of Co2 is trying to reduce their output. They are trying to do it while allowing normal life to continue. But I'll suggest the idea of banning all private jets at my next Bumburgh meeting. That should reduce global emissions by absolutely fuck all. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 16:31:02 GMT
Your link is at best unclear. Emissions per capita is not a good picture and the way emissions are measured leaves a lot to be desired. With per capita if thousands leave Albania their per capita emissions go up, and if they all come here our per capita emissions go down. Which makes little sense. The reality is that each person has an emission total and most of us here in the UK are significantly less than millions, possibly billions, of other individuals in the world yet the demands are for us to tighten our belts. It makes no sense if the desire is to reduce emissions. The whole concept seems to arrive at the 'little people' have to use a lot less so that the elite can maintain their lifestyles. Strange as it may seem I have no access to a private jet but I know many who have. They have forecast down here that starting tomorrow it will be minus degrees with a high of 3 for the next week. I wonder when the doom merchants will start naming the frosts we will get. No. But they will watch for another arctic bloom that caused the minus 10's we got last year. Still I'm sure you would be happy to fund new road surfaces capable of handling such temperatures, new underground water pipes the same. Rather than wasting all that money making our own power from renewables. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 6, 2024 16:31:30 GMT
You say vote Labour if you want more houses, but houses for who? With 800,000 immigrants a year coming here we certainly need more housing. But every government in my lifetime has promised to build a certain number of houses and they always fail to hit targets. You say Labour will build 1.5 million homes, I assume you think they will be in power for the next 20 years, lol. ZG, it would appear you are yet to learn that the opposition are always long on promises, short on delivery. I already said. Houses for everyone already here. WE INVITED THEM. You tell me Red what would you do with the 500,000 immigrants invited to live here last year or the year before. Would you throw them out, push them into the sea? Oh and FYI 330,000 of those 800,000 were from Ukraine. I would stop nearly all new immigrants coming. Offer short term contracts for those we do need. But yes I would build enough homes for everyone already here. Some numbers for you There are 24.6 million homes in the UK at this time covering 7% of the land. We need to build another 1.8 million homes to provide enough for the people living here today That's 0.07% more homes. Yes that's right 0.07% moreSo that would mean increasing the land covered to 7.4% of the UK. No one would even notice. You're locking the door after the horse has bolted. Of course people would notice it because the houses would be built in areas where people wanted to live. You can virtually subtract the whole of Scotland, much of Wales, most land above 600ft, the Fens, Coastal margins, the National Parks, parkland, transport corridors, interchanges etc. That would reduce the available land by a significant amount. The thing is just looking around and living day to day we see an increase everywhere in new housing, smaller boxes squeezed into limited space. Rats in a trap so societal cohesion will suffer. 1.8 million new homes means parking for 3.6 million vehicles, road access for said vehicles including traffic lights, roundabouts, shops, new schools, new health centres. Realistically it is a national disaster over which our political class have ruled either inexpertly or malignly. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2024 16:40:17 GMT
He is a fan of right-wing GB news, which feeds into his already owned bias, so don't expect to much from him. LOL (Genuine LOL btw) I can almost sense your left wing outrage. ![]() |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 16:43:31 GMT
I already said. Houses for everyone already here. WE INVITED THEM. You tell me Red what would you do with the 500,000 immigrants invited to live here last year or the year before. Would you throw them out, push them into the sea? Oh and FYI 330,000 of those 800,000 were from Ukraine. I would stop nearly all new immigrants coming. Offer short term contracts for those we do need. But yes I would build enough homes for everyone already here. Some numbers for you There are 24.6 million homes in the UK at this time covering 7% of the land. We need to build another 1.8 million homes to provide enough for the people living here today That's 0.07% more homes. Yes that's right 0.07% moreSo that would mean increasing the land covered to 7.4% of the UK. No one would even notice. You're locking the door after the horse has bolted. Of course people would notice it because the houses would be built in areas where people wanted to live. You can virtually subtract the whole of Scotland, much of Wales, most land above 600ft, the Fens, Coastal margins, the National Parks, parkland, transport corridors, interchanges etc. That would reduce the available land by a significant amount. The thing is just looking around and living day to day we see an increase everywhere in new housing, smaller boxes squeezed into limited space. Rats in a trap so societal cohesion will suffer. 1.8 million new homes means parking for 3.6 million vehicles, road access for said vehicles including traffic lights, roundabouts, shops, new schools, new health centres. Realistically it is a national disaster over which our political class have ruled either inexpertly or malignly. Its only 12% of England if you remove Scotland and Wales. So 1% more of England. As for the 3.6 million vehicles, road access for said vehicles including traffic lights, roundabouts, shops, new schools, new health centres. They are already here! These houses are needed for people already living working shopping and getting ill in the UK. As for national parks, roads etc do you have any idea the tiny percentage they take up. Did you know that the width of a road in an atlas is nearly a mile just so you can see it. In reality they take up a tiny amount, why don't you do some research or are you worried it might punch a hole in your rhetoric. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 6, 2024 16:47:27 GMT
Your link is at best unclear. Emissions per capita is not a good picture and the way emissions are measured leaves a lot to be desired. With per capita if thousands leave Albania their per capita emissions go up, and if they all come here our per capita emissions go down. Which makes little sense. The reality is that each person has an emission total and most of us here in the UK are significantly less than millions, possibly billions, of other individuals in the world yet the demands are for us to tighten our belts. It makes no sense if the desire is to reduce emissions. The whole concept seems to arrive at the 'little people' have to use a lot less so that the elite can maintain their lifestyles. Strange as it may seem I have no access to a private jet but I know many who have. Immigrants need shoes and clothing, food and water, transport, gas and electricity, somewhere to sleep, medical treatment etc. they add to the production of greenhouse gasses. Of course they do which makes the whole concept of how to measure it ridiculous. If we are intent on reducing our emissions we should stop immigration in total as all immigrants do is increase our emissions no matter what they do. The whole thing is a giant mess where our politicians are trying to be good to all people and the planet in a statesmanlike fashion and making those of us already here significantly worse off in the process. We can by all means be worse off but at least be less crowded and have better access to services and houses. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 6, 2024 17:00:31 GMT
Immigrants need shoes and clothing, food and water, transport, gas and electricity, somewhere to sleep, medical treatment etc. they add to the production of greenhouse gasses. Of course they do which makes the whole concept of how to measure it ridiculous. If we are intent on reducing our emissions we should stop immigration in total as all immigrants do is increase our emissions no matter what they do. The whole thing is a giant mess where our politicians are trying to be good to all people and the planet in a statesmanlike fashion and making those of us already here significantly worse off in the process. We can by all means be worse off but at least be less crowded and have better access to services and houses. I think there are far better reasons to stop immigration than climate change. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2024 17:19:57 GMT
He is a fan of right-wing GB news, which feeds into his already owned bias, so don't expect to much from him. LOL (Genuine LOL btw) I can almost sense your left wing outrage. ![]() Apparently, any enjoyment from a right wing media source is supposed to be a bad thing on this forum. The fanatical far-left do nothing but try and belittle people for not limiting themselves to far-left propaganda. Still, I'm glad you can laugh about it. |
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