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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 4, 2024 16:37:28 GMT
Reform are an obvious threat to the Tories, but Starmer will be very aware that lots of former Labour supporters in red wall constituencies voted Tory in 2019 and time and again the main reason given was immigration. Many red wall constituencies in the Midlands and the north are little more than foreign enclaves and people are sick of it. Starmer will try to avoid any discussion about it because he is very pro EU, pro immigration. Reform UK may be an obvious threat to the Tories, but Starmer knows very well that it's also a threat in many Labour constituencies. I think labour supporters have more pressing concerns at this time. The NHS, the cost of living crises. etc. Most just want this lot of Tories gone. They wont risk losing the election by voting for Reform. Your claim that most people 'just want the Tories gone' is evidence that regardless of policies you would vote Labour under 'any' circumstances. The fact is there's very little difference between Tory and Labour which is why Starmer has very little to say on policies and Sunak is unpopular with Tory voters. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 4, 2024 16:41:22 GMT
I think labour supporters have more pressing concerns at this time. The NHS, the cost of living crises. etc. Most just want this lot of Tories gone. They wont risk losing the election by voting for Reform. Your claim that most people 'just want the Tories gone' is evidence that regardless of policies you would vote Labour under 'any' circumstances. The fact is there's very little difference between Tory and Labour which is why Starmer has very little to say on policies and Sunak is unpopular with Tory voters. I would vote Reform to get rid of this ineffective bunch of children. I'll let you in on a secret. Most of the business people I know think they are shite, and they are staunch Tories. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 4, 2024 16:52:54 GMT
Your claim that most people 'just want the Tories gone' is evidence that regardless of policies you would vote Labour under 'any' circumstances. The fact is there's very little difference between Tory and Labour which is why Starmer has very little to say on policies and Sunak is unpopular with Tory voters. I would vote Reform to get rid of this ineffective bunch of children. I'll let you in on a secret. Most of the business people I know think they are shite, and they are staunch Tories. ZG, are you new to the forum? I've lost count of the times I have criticised Sunak and this government in the most withering of terms. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 4, 2024 17:07:10 GMT
Reform are an obvious threat to the Tories, but Starmer will be very aware that lots of former Labour supporters in red wall constituencies voted Tory in 2019 and time and again the main reason given was immigration. Many red wall constituencies in the Midlands and the north are little more than foreign enclaves and people are sick of it. Starmer will try to avoid any discussion about it because he is very pro EU, pro immigration. Reform UK may be an obvious threat to the Tories, but Starmer knows very well that it's also a threat in many Labour constituencies. I think labour supporters have more pressing concerns at this time. The NHS, the cost of living crises. etc. Most just want this lot of Tories gone. They wont risk losing the election by voting for Reform. Hate the Tories? Vote Labour for more of the same.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 4, 2024 17:09:14 GMT
I would vote Reform to get rid of this ineffective bunch of children. I'll let you in on a secret. Most of the business people I know think they are shite, and they are staunch Tories. ZG, are you new to the forum? I've lost count of the times I have criticised Sunak and this government in the most withering of terms. I know. But you are claiming I would vote Labour regardless. But you have been on this forum and the previous one long enough to know I have voted both Tory and Labour. To me its not Tory or Labour. Its how they run the country, how they help business and how they help the poor. This lot have made a massive shit mess of it. And all you get is excuses and lies. And not just Sunak, I am particularly annoyed with myself for getting sucked in by Boris's lies and false claims. Now you are quite entitled to claim the current Labour party will be as bad, I disagree. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 4, 2024 17:09:35 GMT
I think labour supporters have more pressing concerns at this time. The NHS, the cost of living crises. etc. Most just want this lot of Tories gone. They wont risk losing the election by voting for Reform. Hate the Tories? Vote Labour for more of the same.
Yay! Disagree. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 4, 2024 17:12:42 GMT
I agree. BTW, according to the pundits, a November election is looking most likely.
Listened to some political hack earlier who said a November election will be bad news for Labour because kids wont go out if it's cold. LOL. A November election makes no difference to turnout - it's the chance to change things that matter. This time, as we are looking at replacing Sunak with Starmer, there is very little change so turnout is going to be pretty low... |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 4, 2024 17:15:17 GMT
I think Zany what people are saying if you want more of the same then vote for it, it doesn't matter which one. While you are trying to convince everyone, you won't get more of the same, although all the evidence says you will. Because that is how the system is set up, which is a fact.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 4, 2024 17:20:37 GMT
Hate the Tories? Vote Labour for more of the same.
Yay! Disagree. Here you go Zany:
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Post by zanygame on Jan 4, 2024 17:25:14 GMT
Oh look at that. Absolute proof. Sigh. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 4, 2024 18:06:08 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 4, 2024 18:40:45 GMT
LOL, superb. Honestly Monte, you're a laugh. Planet Earth is c5 billion years old and man has walked upright for the past 200,000 years. Yet you show a graph that goes all the way back to 1940 and talk about the warmest period in history. This is typical left wing alarmism. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 4, 2024 18:47:48 GMT
LOL, superb. Honestly Monte, you're a laugh. Planet Earth is c5 billion years old and man has walked upright for the past 200,000 years. Yet you show a graph that goes all the way back to 1940 and talk about the warmest period in history. This is typical left wing alarmism.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 4, 2024 18:54:12 GMT
Less than nine minutes, but nine minutes well spent if you're a climate alarmist. Enjoy...
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Post by zanygame on Jan 4, 2024 19:07:51 GMT
Less than nine minutes, but nine minutes well spent if you're a climate alarmist. Enjoy... Guess it depends on who you think is faking the data. Is it NOAH or a you tube man cherry picking data. |
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