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Post by Pacifico on Jan 4, 2024 7:35:41 GMT
Well they would say that, wouldn't they? Well it effectively is in seats where Labour are the main challengers to the Tories. Because Reform have no hope of taking enough votes from the Tories to win seats themselves, but if they take enough votes from the Tories to reduce their votes to a lower level than Labour, they effectively let Labour win by damaging the Tories. A vote for Reform is not going to result in a Reform MP. But it might result in a Labour MP when you could have had a Tory one.There is a difference?...  |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 4, 2024 7:39:19 GMT
If there wasn't then certain members of this board wouldn't be scared of Labour "infesting" no 10 and spending all your money.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 4, 2024 7:52:22 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 4, 2024 7:59:22 GMT
Reform??? Why would disaffected Tory/Labour voters be enTiced to go for a Farage tribute act… Funnily enough the same was being said exactly 10 years ago - why would anyone vote UKIP. ...and yet here we are..  the critical difference between UKIP and Reform is the way money and candidate selection works. UKIP is / was a party created with members and a system of candidate selection akin to labour / tory / lib dem. The Brexit Party was at one point proposed as a limited company limited by guarantee with no shares. It is actually as inspection of companies house records show a limited company originally set up with one share, later expanded to five. It has a couple of directors that NOW include Farage but for quite a while has only one director and one shareholder. The company articles of association make it clear the company exists to fund and stand candidates to political office All of this is above board and legal The point is, to stand under the banner of a labour or tory party you join the party, fight your way past a selection panel of fellow members and win the selection. At this point the party’s appointed national nominating officer countersigns your electoral nomination confirming the party approval of your status as a party candidate and your right to be identified as such on advertising and the ballot paper With The Brexit Party (sorry, Reform) the national nominating officer is appointed by the person with overall control and candidates are chosen by that same person. You cannot be a member of the party. There is no such thing You can only be a supporter. You get to be a supporter by paying the company a chunk of wonga. I think the min is £25 You have no rights as a supporter and no input to running the originally one, now five, person band. As i said this is all totally legit under Blair’s PPERA 2000 It’s just that, well, i’m not quite sure what Richard Tice’s stsnding in the ltd company actually is …. To st |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 4, 2024 8:08:32 GMT
If there wasn't then certain members of this board wouldn't be scared of Labour "infesting" no 10 and spending all your money. you describe the difference between party leaders and the occasional policy There is stuff all difference between labour and tory MPs both are self serving scum who file into voting lobbies as directed by their whips (unless paired in which case few do even that) and collect a kings ransom in salary, pension and unbelievable perks for so doing. There was a time a constituent might gave some hope a point well made might sway tbe view of their MP. Today, no fucking chance |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 4, 2024 8:23:10 GMT
Well they would say that, wouldn't they? Well it effectively is in seats where Labour are the main challengers to the Tories. Because Reform have no hope of taking enough votes from the Tories to win seats themselves, but if they take enough votes from the Tories to reduce their votes to a lower level than Labour, they effectively let Labour win by damaging the Tories. A vote for Reform is not going to result in a Reform MP. But it might result in a Labour MP when you could have had a Tory one. Ssshh. Don't tell them. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 4, 2024 8:25:44 GMT
Well it effectively is in seats where Labour are the main challengers to the Tories. Because Reform have no hope of taking enough votes from the Tories to win seats themselves, but if they take enough votes from the Tories to reduce their votes to a lower level than Labour, they effectively let Labour win by damaging the Tories. A vote for Reform is not going to result in a Reform MP. But it might result in a Labour MP when you could have had a Tory one. Ssshh. Don't tell them. No need it is all over the media the Westminster party want to keep their illusion of democracy by telling voters you must only vote for them. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 4, 2024 9:36:43 GMT
If you could recognise lies and damned lies, you wouldn't post such rubbishy opinions. It don't stop you from posting bullshit. It couldn't, because I haven't even considered using your approach. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 4, 2024 9:43:34 GMT
we already have Labour in power - perhaps its time to vote for someone else? Your post is a piece of misleading right-wing propaganda full of the usual dishonest insinuation. Righties are so untrustworthy. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 4, 2024 9:44:06 GMT
It don't stop you from posting bullshit. It couldn't, because I haven't even considered using your approach. Well I guess it's hard to approach anything for those who have their heads stuck and wedged firmly up blairs arse. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 4, 2024 9:53:35 GMT
Well they would say that, wouldn't they? Well it effectively is in seats where Labour are the main challengers to the Tories. Because Reform have no hope of taking enough votes from the Tories to win seats themselves, but if they take enough votes from the Tories to reduce their votes to a lower level than Labour, they effectively let Labour win by damaging the Tories. A vote for Reform is not going to result in a Reform MP. But it might result in a Labour MP when you could have had a Tory one. 'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned', or a lefty scorned LOL |
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Post by see2 on Jan 4, 2024 9:58:40 GMT
It couldn't, because I haven't even considered using your approach. Well I guess it's hard for those who have their heads stuck and wedged firmly up blairs arse. You seem to forget that you are not on some arse-hole building site. I wonder if you recognise that you are a rather sick poster. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 4, 2024 10:02:33 GMT
Funnily enough the same was being said exactly 10 years ago - why would anyone vote UKIP. ...and yet here we are.. the critical difference between UKIP and Reform is the way money and candidate selection works. UKIP is / was a party created with members and a system of candidate selection akin to labour / tory / lib dem. The Brexit Party was at one point proposed as a limited company limited by guarantee with no shares. It is actually as inspection of companies house records show a limited company originally set up with one share, later expanded to five. It has a couple of directors that NOW include Farage but for quite a while has only one director and one shareholder. The company articles of association make it clear the company exists to fund and stand candidates to political office All of this is above board and legal The point is, to stand under the banner of a labour or tory party you join the party, fight your way past a selection panel of fellow members and win the selection. At this point the party’s appointed national nominating officer countersigns your electoral nomination confirming the party approval of your status as a party candidate and your right to be identified as such on advertising and the ballot paper With The Brexit Party (sorry, Reform) the national nominating officer is appointed by the person with overall control and candidates are chosen by that same person. You cannot be a member of the party. There is no such thing You can only be a supporter. You get to be a supporter by paying the company a chunk of wonga. I think the min is £25 You have no rights as a supporter and no input to running the originally one, now five, person band. As i said this is all totally legit under Blair’s PPERA 2000 It’s just that, well, i’m not quite sure what Richard Tice’s stsnding in the ltd company actually is …. To st What is "Blair’s PPERA 2000"? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 4, 2024 10:04:58 GMT
Well I guess it's hard for those who have their heads stuck and wedged firmly up blairs arse. You seem to forget that you are not on some arse-hole building site. I wonder if you recognise that you are a rather sick poster. Your correct I am at home because it is pissing down here. But it still doesn't stop me pissing on the idiots of the highest order parade. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 4, 2024 10:22:01 GMT
I guess when you have no honest debatable points to make, you have to insinuate them. |
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