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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 18:47:47 GMT
Zany, with genuine respect, it feels like you are allowing your evident antipathy towards local councils to cloud your judgement in respect of the Great Shrewsbury Taxi Licensing Scandal. It does rather feel that you believe you and your company should be able to build what you want where you want ignoring the wishes of the local community expressed through its elected councillors. For what it is worth, my experience is that you get better results with councils if you listen to what they say, try to understand what they are trying to achieve and work with them to find a mutually acceptable solution . I wish I hadn't given examples of how councils work now. It was supposed to example an issue. My company has dealt with councils is at least 15 separate towns and cities, I am well aware of how they work. In what area do you deal with councils? Do you work for them? When the option is a planning system or just plain no, I vote for the flexibility of planning. Further I am not against planning, it is essential. I was simply pointing out that contrary to your claim, councils do not represent the public in their boroughs. That must be pretty obvious in the case we are discussing. How many council tax payers do you think would want to stop this taxi driver having a union jack on his bonnet? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 16, 2023 19:33:53 GMT
Ralph Waldo Emerson must have had someone very much like dappy in mind when he wrote 'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds'.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 16, 2023 21:16:31 GMT
Ralph Waldo Emerson must have had someone very much like dappy in mind when he wrote 'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds'. I used to know someone, not that we were on first name terms you understand, who had a saying framed on the wall in his office. It was at eye level behind his desk, so when you were stood in front of his desk you were staring straight at it. "Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but rising up every time we fail" No one had ever heard of Ralph Waldo Emerson, but we were all familiar with that quote. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 21:26:29 GMT
Ralph Waldo Emerson must have had someone very much like dappy in mind when he wrote 'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds'. I used to know someone, not that we were on first name terms you understand, who had a saying framed on the wall in his office. It was at eye level behind his desk, so when you were stood in front of his desk you were staring straight at it. "Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but rising up every time we fail" No one had ever of Ralph Waldo Emerson, but we were all familiar with that quote. I like. What's the bravest thing you ever did asked the boy. Ask for help said the soldier. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 17, 2023 10:01:46 GMT
Zany, with genuine respect, it feels like you are allowing your evident antipathy towards local councils to cloud your judgement in respect of the Great Shrewsbury Taxi Licensing Scandal. It does rather feel that you believe you and your company should be able to build what you want where you want ignoring the wishes of the local community expressed through its elected councillors. For what it is worth, my experience is that you get better results with councils if you listen to what they say, try to understand what they are trying to achieve and work with them to find a mutually acceptable solution . I wish I hadn't given examples of how councils work now. It was supposed to example an issue. My company has dealt with councils is at least 15 separate towns and cities, I am well aware of how they work. In what area do you deal with councils? Do you work for them? When the option is a planning system or just plain no, I vote for the flexibility of planning. Further I am not against planning, it is essential. I was simply pointing out that contrary to your claim, councils do not represent the public in their boroughs. That must be pretty obvious in the case we are discussing. How many council tax payers do you think would want to stop this taxi driver having a union jack on his bonnet? Zany we are reasonably closely aligned politically and I have no desire to fall out with you. Your antipathy towards councils continues to shine out of your latest post and it would seem continues to cloud your judgement on both the trivial matter of the Great Shrewsbury Taxi Licensing Regulations Scandal but perhaps more importantly in respect of Councils’ responsibility to protect their towns from inappropriate development. In respect of the GSTLRS, my position is that on this unimportant measure, I am content for the council to determine some clear rules and then enforce them consistently. You seem to want some weird complicated free for all with a council official deciding on designs based on his personal prejudice and whim on the day with no consistency whatsoever. I think we may need to agree to disagree on this one. As I have said there can be little argument that the interests of the town and the commercial interests of privately owned business will not always be aligned. You appear to feel that what you want as your business is automatically in the interests of and supported by the population of the relevant area. I don’t think that will always be the case. Frankly mate experience tells me that one party is in dispute with another, it is hard for an outside party to determine who is in the right and who the wrong. When the same party is in dispute with two independent parties, it begins to tell a tale. Get to three four or five and those suspicions build. If you get to fifteen it seems pretty clear. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2023 10:14:19 GMT
I wish I hadn't given examples of how councils work now. It was supposed to example an issue. My company has dealt with councils is at least 15 separate towns and cities, I am well aware of how they work. In what area do you deal with councils? Do you work for them? When the option is a planning system or just plain no, I vote for the flexibility of planning. Further I am not against planning, it is essential. I was simply pointing out that contrary to your claim, councils do not represent the public in their boroughs. That must be pretty obvious in the case we are discussing. How many council tax payers do you think would want to stop this taxi driver having a union jack on his bonnet? Zany we are reasonably closely aligned politically and I have no desire to fall out with you. Your antipathy towards councils continues to shine out of your latest post and it would seem continues to cloud your judgement on both the trivial matter of the Great Shrewsbury Taxi Licensing Regulations Scandal but perhaps more importantly in respect of Councils’ responsibility to protect their towns from inappropriate development. In respect of the GSTLRS, my position is that on this unimportant measure, I am content for the council to determine some clear rules and then enforce them consistently. You seem to want some weird complicated free for all with a council official deciding on designs based on his personal prejudice and whim on the day with no consistency whatsoever. I think we may need to agree to disagree on this one. As I have said there can be little argument that the interests of the town and the commercial interests of privately owned business will not always be aligned. You appear to feel that what you want as your business is automatically in the interests of and supported by the population of the relevant area. I don’t think that will always be the case. Frankly mate experience tells me that one party is in dispute with another, it is hard for an outside party to determine who is in the right and who the wrong. When the same party is in dispute with two independent parties, it begins to tell a tale. Get to three four or five and those suspicions build. If you get to fifteen it seems pretty clear. You appear to think that business is not part of the councils care package. Which aligns nicely with my view of them. They see business as non voting cash cows. We pay hundreds of thousands in Business rates and don't even get our rubbish collected. There is no point of contact for most councils for business and all contact is officious. We demand.... I'm not surprised you share their view of a business mans wants. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 17, 2023 10:26:09 GMT
Of course private business is essential to the success of any town centre. All councils and indeed any sensible person knows that. That doesn’t mean however that business gets a blank cheque to do whatever it wants. Treat anyone or any body with the contempt you have exhibited in this thread and I would suggest don’t be surprised if they treat you “officiously” in return.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 17, 2023 19:08:30 GMT
Of course private business is essential to the success of any town centre. All councils and indeed any sensible person knows that. That doesn’t mean however that business gets a blank cheque to do whatever it wants. Treat anyone or any body with the contempt you have exhibited in this thread and I would suggest don’t be surprised if they treat you “officiously” in return. A blank cheque 😅 😂 🤣 We are a cash cow, no rights, no say, no vote. As for how I treat the council. I don't. I have as little to do with them as possible, they contact me with their officiousness, its part of the service they provide me. That's why a taxi driver who simply wants to put a union jack on his car ends up having to go to the press. |
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